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Judi Lynn

(164,122 posts)
65. For christssake, these are COLOMBIAN people who moved to Venezuela, and there are NOT 1,000s of them
Wed May 4, 2016, 05:05 AM
May 2016

as the "news"paper says officials said there were more than 1,000. That's ONE thousand, ONE.

We have been reading for years and years and years about Colombians moving to both Venezuela AND Ecuador, and Venezuela was very decent about taking them in, and taking care of them for ages, until the right-wing death squads started bringing in more violence than they could handle.

One very clear example was over 100 Colombian paramilitaries which came across the border and lived at a ranch owned by Roberto Alonso, not too far from Caracas. Following up on a tip, the Venezuelan government discovered these creeps living in quanset huts on the property, with uniforms, and the plans to hold up a national guard armory and steal enough weapons to arm one thousand people, and proceed on to Miraflores, where they would kill Chavez. This was revealed in interrogations with the men, some of whom had been members of the Colombian military, at one time. After they were captured, and the truth determined, Hugo Chavez and Alvaro Uribe had a meeting which lasted over 3 hours, and during that meeting Uribe apologized for this nasty situation.

Here's one article I just located regarding this situation:


Venezuela's Chavez pardons Colombian prisoners accused in plot

By Fabiola Sanchez
ASSOCIATED PRESS
3:11 p.m. August 30, 2007

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez on Thursday pardoned dozens of Colombians imprisoned in Venezuela on charges of involvement in an alleged 2004 plot against his government.
The order to free the 41 prisoners took effect with its publication in the government's official gazette, dismissing their convictions on charges of military rebellion.

Chavez announced his decision to free the prisoners last week as a goodwill gesture during his efforts to help broker an unrelated prisoner and hostage exchange between Colombia's government and leftist rebels.

In May 2004, 118 Colombians were arrested at a ranch outside Caracas. Authorities said they were wearing Venezuelan military uniforms and were suspected of belonging to paramilitary group that was plotting to create chaos in the country and assassinate Chavez.

. . .

Chavez said last week that the pardon applied to all the Colombians except those implicated in the death of a man whose body was found buried near the ranch.

Chavez was preparing to travel to Colombia on Friday for talks with President Alvaro Uribe on his offer to help facilitate an exchange of hundreds of imprisoned rebels for about 45 hostages held by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

More:
http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/world/20070830-1511-venezuela-colombia.html

More info:

Alleged Colombian Paramilitaries
On May 9, 2004, Venezuelan police raided a ranch in Buruta, on the outskirts of the capital Caracas, arresting fifty-five Colombian men. The ranch was owned by Roberto Alonso, a Cuban exile active in the anti-Castro and a leader of the Venezuelan opposition group Bloque Democrático Shortly thereafter, they arrested 71 more at the neighboring ranch owned by Gustavo Cisneros, a Cuban-Venezuelan Chávez opponent. Venezuela reported that one of the detainees said they had been offered 500,000 Colombian pesos to work on the farm, before being informed upon their arrival that they would have to prepare for an attack on a National Guard base, with the goal of stealing weapons to potentially arm a 3,000-strong militia. <1>

According to other detainees and the Colombian families of many of them, most of those arrested were apparently unemployed poor peasants, some from the Cúcuta area, many of whom had at some point in their lives done military service in Colombia and thus qualified as reservists. They'd have been promised to work in Venezuela but were later betrayed <2>.

The families of 68 detainees announced to the Colombian press in June 2004 their intention of travelling to Venezuela to argue for their relatives freedom, claiming that they fell to a setup. <3>. Another relative told the Venezuelan opposition press that the prisoners were being mistreated while in captivity <4>. The official press reported a government denial of this claim.

The family of a Venezuelan National Guard Captain arrested and accused of being implicated in the supposed paramilitary plot likewise denounced in the opposition press the possibility of a political persecution against those that would not share the Venezuelan revolutionary process. He was said not to be recognized when he was presented to the Colombian detainees.<5>.

Some women and underaged children were also included among those captured suspected paramilitaries. The latter were speedily repatriated to Colombia by Venezuelan authorities <6>. The alleged paramilitaries were caught wearing Venezuelan Army uniforms and apparently had a single gun in their possession in the immediate area. At least two (other sources speak of between three and five) suspected paramilitary commanders were also reported to be in custody.

. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daktari_Ranch_affair

[center]



Improvised observation post at the farm where Colombian paramilitaries
were captured last Sunday.
Credit: Carlos Rios - Radio Nacional de Venezuela




Barracs at the property of opposition activist Robert Alonso located
in the outskirts of Caracas. Colombian paramilitaries lived there for
46 days in preparation for attacks on military bases.
Credit: Carlos Rios - Radio Nacional de Venezuela[/center]
I thought you were trying to claim actual Venezuelan citizens were "fleeing" Venezuela. That wasn't the case, was it?

Don't you ever take the time to follow what is happening? Don't you have any grasp of what has been going on?

If you made any effort at all, to start paying attention, and researching, you would see things in a totally different way. You would not be a reactionary, you would have some degree of awareness, it would change your life.

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I want to know when they find Dick Cheney's name GreydeeThos May 2016 #1
Cheney banks in Dubai where he gets Bush family and friends rates. Who needs Panama then? Ford_Prefect May 2016 #2
He would use an english-sounding law-firm. DetlefK May 2016 #3
typical biased BS from Telesur, the Chavez/Bolivarian propaganda machine uhnope May 2016 #4
Source please. Scuba May 2016 #5
... uhnope May 2016 #6
Wiki is not a reliable source. Do you have another? Scuba May 2016 #7
it's not the source uhnope May 2016 #8
I'm not chasing links to support your claim. That's your job. Cite it or delete it. Scuba May 2016 #9
lol. delete THIS uhnope May 2016 #10
So you admit you got nothing. Scuba May 2016 #13
yeah, I made it all up out of thin air uhnope May 2016 #14
This is a political discussion board; if you make claims, you should provide links to back them up. Scuba May 2016 #16
It doesn't apply to me! I'm special! snooper2 May 2016 #26
lol. see post #11 uhnope May 2016 #29
lol nt moonbabygo May 2016 #69
jeez, 10 seconds in the wiki article melm00se May 2016 #11
That doesn't support the claims made by uhnope. Scuba May 2016 #12
check edit n/t melm00se May 2016 #17
Thanks. I gotta wonder why the writer of those claims wouldn't do that. Scuba May 2016 #18
I have to wonder why you are so intense on disproving the story Perseus May 2016 #20
Claims should be supported on a political discussion board. Scuba May 2016 #22
If the Sow of Senegal says the arrest was arbitrary you must accept it. Akicita May 2016 #25
THANKS. Maybe too many deep-sea dives. uhnope May 2016 #15
"Cite it or delete it" ?!?! Who made you god? EX500rider May 2016 #43
Nice try... EX500rider May 2016 #49
Do you know anything about the political situation in Venezuela? Perseus May 2016 #19
I know this .... Scuba May 2016 #21
Please cite your sources that the American press are making shit up out of whole cloth about Akicita May 2016 #27
Easy ... Scuba May 2016 #32
Try again. The American media isn't even mentioned in the article. It just critisizes Human Rights Akicita May 2016 #33
"... the mainstream press publish articles and headlines based on HRW report conclusions." Scuba May 2016 #36
So you finally admit that they are not making shit up from whole cloth. Akicita May 2016 #38
The article debunks what HRW published. Scuba May 2016 #41
Reread my post. One of my points was that you could "easily" find an article that would debunk the Akicita May 2016 #42
Any sane person would take HRW over Venezuelananalysis. EX500rider May 2016 #50
yr long, time-wasting journey into epic wrongness is here for all to see on this thread uhnope May 2016 #45
Scuba, you have been underwater for too long Perseus May 2016 #54
venezuelanalysis....lol....good one... EX500rider May 2016 #48
touche uhnope May 2016 #35
"Ever since Venezuela nationalized their oil" EX500rider May 2016 #44
THIS JUST IN! MisterFred May 2016 #28
it's embarrassingly bad fake news. How can you even take it seriously uhnope May 2016 #30
What are you talking about? MisterFred May 2016 #53
"all the time"? nt uhnope May 2016 #57
Poor abused millionaire and banker fasttense May 2016 #39
+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #46
send us your poor, your downtrodden, your rich cheating money hoarders lakeguy May 2016 #23
the us will always provide sanctuary to the 1 percent dembotoz May 2016 #24
another baseless "america sucks" post uhnope May 2016 #31
Excellent point. Akicita May 2016 #34
Often, ronnie624 May 2016 #37
They especially provide sanctuary to the uber rich bankers. fasttense May 2016 #40
I had no idea all those Somalis in Minnesota were millionaires. And all the unaccompanied children Akicita May 2016 #47
The "Vietnamese boat people" ronnie624 May 2016 #52
it was caused by the North Vietnamese invasion of South Vietnam. Just like the destruction of Europe Akicita May 2016 #66
The US began its invasion of Vietnam in 1950, ronnie624 May 2016 #67
That was France. How many troops did the US have in Vietnam in the 1950's? Akicita May 2016 #68
Any number would be considered an invasion ronnie624 May 2016 #70
I operate under no such assumption. I don't know why you assume that. Akicita May 2016 #71
The whole world outside the US recognizes that was not a righteous war. Judi Lynn May 2016 #72
Here is Chomsky, on the framing of discussion about US interventionism ronnie624 May 2016 #73
not america sucks just rich fly first class and are treated different dembotoz May 2016 #56
by 1994 some Venezuelan bank execs had TWO personal jets MisterP May 2016 #51
Rafael Caldera was the president then, as the 56th, then 63rd Venezuelan President. 200 bankers fled Judi Lynn May 2016 #55
forced deportations, and 100,000 refugees have fled Venezuela, most of them rather poor uhnope May 2016 #58
Who on earth do you think you're fooling? Poor people fleeing Venezuela? Judi Lynn May 2016 #59
oh yeah these look like rich bankers uhnope May 2016 #60
Why are the police helping these people move? Judi Lynn May 2016 #61
If you believe what you say, why didn't you click on the link to find out uhnope May 2016 #62
I only have one or so free NY Times articles left this month so I don't want to use them carelessly, Judi Lynn May 2016 #63
so you mean there might not have been thousands & thousands of refugees and force deportations uhnope May 2016 #64
For christssake, these are COLOMBIAN people who moved to Venezuela, and there are NOT 1,000s of them Judi Lynn May 2016 #65
so mass deportations are okay if it's Colombians? uhnope May 2016 #74
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