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happyslug

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89. In the Yom Kipper war, AA missiles were used offensively.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

Basically the Egyptians used their Anti Aircraft missiles to provide cover over the battlefield. Thus ground forces, as long as those forces stayed under the AA missile defense, can attack, then wait for the AA missiles to move forward to cover the ground forces further advance. The Egyptians offensive failed when to relieve Israeli attacks on Syria forces, the Egyptians moved beyond their AA defense. This opened up those forces to massive air attacks, and permitted the subsequent Israeli advance cross the Suez Canal.

My point is a defense weapon often permitts offensive operations. The same with Star Wars, it can restrict the use of Russian missiles to destroyed supply bases, thus destroying Russia's best defense, to destroy the supply system for any NATO ground force attack.

Defense is often the best way to cover and support an offensive force. Thus this missile defense attacks the best way to end the ability of NATO or the US to maintain an attack on Russia. Thus a missile defense protects offensive operations and that is why Russia will always oppose missile defense that close to its borders.

If these forces were truly defensive, there be no need for such a defensive force outside North America. If you wanted to include NATO, what use to be West East Germany would be as near to the borders of Russia you would have to do to cover NATO, Including Poland.

In the days of old, true defensive forts were always beyound the range of artillery. Thus the fort's guns could only hit within that country's border, and any attacking force would have to move guns into the country being attacked. You do not have that with missile defense, it can cover missiles while with inside Russia. That is offensive in nature not defensive.

The problem is not the technology behind missile defense, but the forward positioning of those missiles. Thus putting them in Germany, Russia would have no objection, but in Romania and Poland is just to close. The problem is placement not the technology.

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Putin should give back Crimea and stop being such a bully... n/t Little Tich May 2016 #1
And if the people of the Crimea do not want to go back? happyslug May 2016 #6
First of all, civil unrest in a sovereign country must never be used as an excuse for a neighbor to Little Tich May 2016 #35
Notice how you get crickets in response Duckhunter935 May 2016 #82
more plain truth, well said. Thank you. uhnope May 2016 #91
Putin's not the first to use an invasion pretext like a 'minority.' Reagan did it in Grenada. ancianita May 2016 #93
Ukraine denied Crimean independence in 1995 TomVilmer May 2016 #64
Exactly. "The Autonomous Republic of Crimea" was the name of the region, not "Crimea" newthinking May 2016 #76
So if Canada allowed Russia to install anti ballistic missile batteries on the Alberta / Montana Monk06 May 2016 #2
Why use Canada? The USSR put missiles in Cuba in 1962. happyslug May 2016 #3
Read your history. The USSR put those missiles in Cuba because Lodestar May 2016 #30
I knew about the removal of missiles from Turkey happyslug May 2016 #75
Do you know what missile defense is? Duckhunter935 May 2016 #83
In the Yom Kipper war, AA missiles were used offensively. happyslug May 2016 #89
It is a NATO defense obligation against Putin's threats against NATO members. braddy May 2016 #5
Yeah sure and Doris Day was a virgin until she got married Monk06 May 2016 #7
Thank God we freed those people after decades of Soviet enslavement, never again. braddy May 2016 #8
Keep singing that Cold War lullaby to yourself Duck and cover dude Monk06 May 2016 #10
If there is no difference between freedom and being conquered by Russia, braddy May 2016 #13
Sweden wants to sell the SAAB Gripen to Europe Monk06 May 2016 #14
LOL, they already have all that, what they fear they don't have, is enough protection from Putin's braddy May 2016 #15
You sound like one of those SAC kids in my sixth grade class in 1962 Monk06 May 2016 #16
The world hates me? braddy May 2016 #17
Where's the quote from the National Post or an old Steven Harper press release Monk06 May 2016 #20
Some of us helped free 100s of millions of people in Europe from Russia, Canada helped us do that. braddy May 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Monk06 May 2016 #22
Robots dream of electric sheep Monk06 May 2016 #23
While men dream of freedom. braddy May 2016 #24
No I'm angry at the 100s of millions your country enslaved and killed and impoverished Monk06 May 2016 #25
You need to look at what the thread topic is, your hatred of America and Canada is off topic, braddy May 2016 #27
And my response that NATO is just a mes sanger boy for a US attempt to get the cold war restarted Monk06 May 2016 #28
Canada was part of NATO from the beginning, why you think that Poland and Romania belong to Russia braddy May 2016 #31
Changing the subject again putting words in my mouth with an obvious and empty non sequitur Monk06 May 2016 #36
Changing the subject which is Poland, Romania, and NATO, and Putin threatening them? braddy May 2016 #38
No you are changing the subject by stating that I am bitter Look up non sequitur I'm Monk06 May 2016 #40
What do you have against Poland and Romania, and why do you support Russia over them? braddy May 2016 #42
Well an ingrained anti Semitism shared by Romania and Poland going back centuries for one Monk06 May 2016 #45
Wow, that is just weird, another large military alliance that they don't want, but you do. braddy May 2016 #46
Because the Warsaw Pact are culturally more alike than they are similar to Europeans or Monk06 May 2016 #54
Do you realize that those people actually exist and can think for themselves? braddy May 2016 #56
I worked with a Russian guy in 1995 He was a Captain in the Russian Army and moved to Canada Monk06 May 2016 #58
Want to invade the old Warsaw Pact? What in the heck are you talking about? braddy May 2016 #59
You're right I am totally ignorant Bring it on one more time I know you can do it Monk06 May 2016 #60
What are we supposed to do? Some of us spent years involved in this stuff, we know what is braddy May 2016 #61
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I'm still trying to figure out why you used being Inuit like you did, not to mention the rest. braddy May 2016 #63
Indeed so, thanks for stating it Duckhunter935 May 2016 #85
They probably know that the christx30 May 2016 #68
"Nationalist sentimentality is a sad thing to watch"? whathehell May 2016 #78
Thank you.. whathehell May 2016 #77
you just equated Putin with Obama, Kennedy, Bill Clinton... uhnope May 2016 #65
So much fail with that one... MattSh May 2016 #69
Maybe West Germany and Romania and Poland can return to slavery under the Russian master. braddy May 2016 #74
you speak the plain truth. Thank you. uhnope May 2016 #90
I remember. We were stationed 840high May 2016 #9
When Kennedy was assassinated my Canadian teacher came into the room Monk06 May 2016 #12
When the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia to stop the Prague Spring, cheapdate May 2016 #18
And what was the US reaction to to Czechoslovakian nationalist attempt at freeing themselves Monk06 May 2016 #19
Right back at you, buddy. cheapdate May 2016 #73
When a soldier is stationed out of his country during peacetime with his wife and kids, and the braddy May 2016 #29
It's cowardice when you send your military and their families to another country on the pretext that Monk06 May 2016 #34
You need to speak more clearly, who were these people, and why were they transferred, and to where? braddy May 2016 #37
I grew up in the military I was in Fort Churchill during the missile crisis and the Kennedy Monk06 May 2016 #39
You have carried all this since childhood? braddy May 2016 #41
Todd Palin's Inuits ? Churchill is in the eastern Arctic I'm not carrying anything You asked Monk06 May 2016 #43
Since you describe Inuits as people different entirely from other Canadians in regards to the braddy May 2016 #44
They fact that I remember the horrible things the US did after Kennedy's death Throughout the Monk06 May 2016 #47
I remember more than you, and was there more than you, and you seem obsessed braddy May 2016 #49
To remember more that me implies you have experienced more than me An interesting epidemiological Monk06 May 2016 #50
Your fantasy that former slave states of Russian want to form an alliance of themselves braddy May 2016 #52
You guys are fun to read....nt Jesus Malverde May 2016 #51
LOL, I bet, it's weird sometimes to be reminded that other people can see this stuff. braddy May 2016 #53
Ain't we tho lol Monk06 May 2016 #55
Pssst whathehell May 2016 #87
A bigot and a troll whathehell May 2016 #86
I recall that day quite well. I appreciate the telling of that. yourpaljoey May 2016 #67
As do I,..and I remember whathehell May 2016 #80
What "cowardice" of what "charade"? I was in 7th grade whathehell May 2016 #79
So attempting to protect 11 year olds from possible harm is "cowardice? whathehell May 2016 #81
And in this developing missile crisis, it seems the U.S. has preempted Lodestar May 2016 #48
Except these are not offensive missiles Duckhunter935 May 2016 #84
I doubt any Poles consider the US protecting them from Russia "American aggression". Odin2005 May 2016 #72
Go west young man. Codeine May 2016 #4
+1 tammywammy May 2016 #11
Geez, my family members are coming home from Romania tomorrow. grasswire May 2016 #26
FDR started the Manhattan Project and Carter tried to invade Angola tirebiter May 2016 #32
Whose Special forces were defeated in Angola? braddy May 2016 #88
The Cuban Missile Crisis was caused by the U.S.first placing Jupiter missiles Lodestar May 2016 #33
So where'd that peace dividend end up? Alkene May 2016 #57
Don't know - but you got it! TomVilmer May 2016 #66
As long as the players like Putin and soon to be Trump have pawns randr May 2016 #71
Military bases are military targets. bemildred May 2016 #70
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