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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton: Trump is 'temperamentally unfit' to be president [View all]Lady_Chat
(561 posts)Bottomlessshould do your homework, in addition to the Bay of Pigs disaster there was Vietnam.
John Kennedy was a die hard believer in containing communism. Kennedy made it clear that he would continue the policy of the former President, Dwight Eisenhower, and support the government of Diem in South Vietnam. Kennedy also made it plain that he supported the Domino Theory and he was convinced that if South Vietnam fell to communism, then other states in the region would as a consequence.
He was warned by Charles De Gaulle that Vietnam and warfare in Vietnam would trap America in a bottomless military and political swamp" . Kennedy was certain that American forces would be far better equipped and prepared for conflict in Vietnam than the French had been. He believed that just a small increase in US support for Diem would ensure success in Vietnam.
In 1961, Kennedy agreed that America should finance an increase in the size of the South Vietnamese Army from 150,000 to 170,000. He also agreed that an extra 1000 US militaryadviserss should be sent to South Vietnam to help train the South Vietnamese Army. Both of these decisions were not made public as they broke the agreements made at the 1954 Geneva Agreement.
During Kennedys presidency that the Strategic Hamlet program was introduced. This failed badly and almost certainly drove a number of South Vietnamese peasants into supporting the North Vietnamese communists. There was forcible moving of peasants into secure compounds was supported by Diem and did a great deal to further the opposition to him in the South. American television reporters relayed to the US public that Strategic Hamlet destroyed decades, if not hundreds, of years of village life in the South and that the process might only take half-a-day. The forced removal of peasants by the South Vietnamese Army who were not asked if they wanted to move. To those who knew about US involvement in Vietnam and were opposed to it, Strategic Hamlet provided them with an excellent propaganda opportunity.
Kennedy knew about the anger of the South Vietnamese peasants and was surprised to learn that membership of the NLF had increased, according to US Intelligence, by 300% in a two year time span the years when Strategic Hamlet was in operation. His response was to send more militaryadviserss to Vietnam so that by the end of 1962 there were 12,000 of theseadviserss in South Vietnam. Kennedy also sent 300 helicopters with US pilots. At first they were told to avoid military combat, but eventually that became impossible.
Kennedys decisions also saw the response to the Diem government by some Buddhist monks. On June 11th 1963, Thich Quang Duc, a Buddhist monk, committed suicide on a busy Saigon road burned himself to death. Other Buddhist monks began to follow his example. Television reported these events throughout the world. Was a horrific sight to see, that was repeated over and over.
Let's face it, apology or no apology a mistake is a mistake. Kennedy made a few. That's something you have to deal with. Here's your biggest problem...Hillary Clinton wasn't the President.
Kennedy was, Obama is, and they make the final decisions. You act like Kennedy and Obama were "simpletons" who couldn't look at all the facts and make decisions for themselves. Please get real. The reality is, sometimes Presidents make mistakes. As far as Qaddafii is concerned, he was no saint either, Pam Am 103 proved that. He was a murderous thug, who hoarded billions from his own people. Sooner or later, he was going down. But were mistakes made? Sure, just like many other Presidents and their administrations.
But when I see a bigot like Trump ranting and raving, bullying, and not even able to know what a nuclear triad is, beloved by Putin, Kim Jong-un, the NRA, Mexican haters, Muslim haters, and other minorities, I'm going with the Democrat.