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leveymg

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103. It's a total fiction that Bush and his nat'l security circle were "on leave" during August '01.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jun 2012

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9/11 happened because some very bad decisions were taken, not for lack of attention.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/258

THEY KNEW: Tenet reveals late August '01 meeting w/Bush, Rummy, Condi, Gens. Meyers/Pace
Posted by leveymg in General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010)
Mon May 07th 2007, 11:31 AM

George Tenet's new book, At the Center of the Storm, reveals something extremely important about events in the final weeks before 9/11. For the first time, the former CIA Director admits he flew to Crawford in late August, just weeks before the attack by al-Qaeda cells known to be in the U.S., and briefed President George W. Bush personally about the threat.

This briefing followed a CIA PDB read to the President on August 6 in a meeting with Harriet Miers, then the President's lawyer, and an emergency meeting between Tenet and Condi Rice on July 10 on the same subject.

It also reveals that in order to cover up the last meeting, Tenet committed perjury before the 9/11 Commission when he denied meeting with Bush in the month before the attack. According to the White House website, Bush met in Crawford with Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, National Security Advisor Condi Rice, and the present and former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Generals Meyers and Pace, on August 24, 2001. Actually, this is not the first time Tenet has referenced that meeting. During April 2003 testimony before the Commission, Tenet "misspoke" and let it slip that he had met with the President in the weeks leading up to 9/11.

The corporate media virtually ignored a couple wire service reports about Tenet's revelation, and practically no one followed-up on it, except two bloggers, one of whom was me.

Here's the relevant extract from Tenet's book: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/050607....

“A few weeks after the Aug. 6 PDB was delivered, I followed it to Crawford to make sure the President stayed current on events,” Tenet wrote in his memoir, At the Center of the Storm. “This was my first visit to the ranch. I remember the President graciously driving me around the spread in his pickup and my trying to make small talk about the flora and the fauna, none of which were native to Queens,”


And, here's the article that I published nearly three years ago: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0406/S000...



UQ Wire: Tenet Lied Under Oath To 9/11 Commission
Wednesday, 9 June 2004, 1:37 pm
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TENET LIED UNDER OATH TO 9/11 COMMISSION ABOUT 8/24/01 MEETING WITH PRESIDENT - AGENCY COMPOUNDS MISREPRESENTATION


* CIA Statement Omits Key Date From List of Bush-DCI Meetings in Weeks Before 9/11
* What Did Bush, Tenet, Rumsfeld and Gen. Myers Talk About in Crawford, TX Three Weeks Before the Attacks - One Day After the Flt. 77 Hijackers Were Watchlisted by the CIA?

Washington, DC, June 7, 2004 - Former CIA Director George Tenet committed perjury in his April 14 testimony before the 9/11 Commission when he claimed he had not met with President Bush in the month before the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. That misrepresentation in Tenet's testimony was noted within hours by Agence France-Presse.

The following day, AP reported the CIA issued what was described as a correction after the Director "misspoke." The Agency asserted that its records showed Tenet meeting with Bush on August 17 and 31, and then on at least six occasions in September prior to Tuesday, the 11th.

However, that CIA announcement omits mention of the visit that then DCI Tenet apparently made to the President's Crawford, Texas ranch on August 24. The White House website on August 25 quotes a remark made by George W. Bush that he met with Tenet the previous day.

In a verbatim transcript, the President is quoted during an impromptu walking tour of Bush's Crawford, TX ranch that he had met the day before with CIA Director and newly appointed members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and National Security Advisor Rice were also present at a Presidential press conference in Crawford on the 24th, according to the White House press notice issued that day. In the August 25 transcript, the President Bush states to reporters and visitors:

THE PRESIDENT: " . . . Yesterday, we spent -- well, they arrived at 10:00 a.m. It took a while to get the press conference. We got back here at about 11:30 a.m. and met until 5:15 p.m. I think they left. That's the longest meeting I've had in a long time, on a very important subject . . .

Q When you have those business meetings, like the Joint Chiefs briefing, do you like to keep it separate from the living quarters on the ranch?

THE PRESIDENT: Actually, you know, what we call the governor's house, the place where you all came out during the -- that's where we went. Condi and Karen Hughes stayed there. And right across the street from that is a -- it's a nice looking government doublewide. (Laughter.) And that's where the mil aide, the nurse, the WHCA head, the doc, they stay.

The CIA briefings, I have on our porch, the end of our porch looking out over the lake. When Tenet came up, that's where we visited, out there.

You know, everybody wants to see the ranch, which I'm proud to show it off. So George Tenet and I -- yesterday, we piled in the new nominees for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Vice Chairman and their wives and went right up the canyon. "http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20... >

The "very important subject" discussed for almost six hours by Bush with his core national security team would likely have been the CIA's action the day before placing four wanted Al-Qaeda terrorists on the "watchlist" of persons to be detained if located in the US. On August 23 the Agency sent "cables to the State Department, the FBI, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service, requesting that 'four bin Laden related individuals' including Almidhar and Alhazmi, be placed on the watchlist." (Washington Post, A8, September 21, 2002) Two of those - Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi - subsequently led the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 77 that slammed into the Pentagon.

The pair had been the subject of CIA-directed surveillance since at least late 1999, when they were followed by the CIA to an Al-Qaeda planning session in Kuala Lumpur, at which they were observed meeting with a ranking terrorist operations director and Mohamed Atta's roommate, Ramzi Binalshibh, who subsequently wired money to them from Germany. Binalshibh also sent funds to Zacarias Moussaoui, who in October 2000 stayed at the same Al-Qaeda safehouse in Malaysia while on his way to the United States. On August 15, Moussaoui was arrested by the FBI at a Minnesota flight school.

If Tenet did not take the opportunity to discuss these events with the President, he committed one of the worst acts of derelection of duty in CIA history. Former DCI George Tenet is generally held to be a thorough and responsible intelligence executive. It is simply implausible that Tenet and Bush did not discuss the 9/11 hijackers when they met in Crawford on August 24.

A special prosecutor needs to be appointed to investigate CIA Director Tenet's apparent perjury on April 14 and the Agency's material misrepresentation of fact in its statement the next day. The former CIA Director and the President need to reveal publicly, and under oath, what was discussed at their numerous meetings in the weeks before 9/11, and why this has been concealed.


ATTACHMENTS

1. Agence France-Presse report reprint (April 15, 2004)

INTERNATIONALTERROR-TENET-CIA CIA says Tenet did meet with Bush in August 2001

WASHINGTON, April 15 (AFP) The CIA today said that its director, George Tenet, personally briefed President George W. Bush in August 2001, countering a statement Tenet made to the commission investigating the September 11 attacks. "We looked at his schedule," a CIA spokeswoman told AFP. "Mr. Tenet did fly down to Texas and briefed the president on August 17." He also briefed Bush on August 31 in Washington, she added. Tenet briefed Bush at least six times in the first eight days of September 2001, as well, the spokeswoman said. And "the whole time that President Bush was in Texas," vacationing on his ranch, he had a senior CIA analyst with him and received a daily report from the CIA, she said. Tenet yesterday told the commission he did not meet with Bush in August 2001. "I didn't see the president. I was not in briefings with him during this time. He was on vacation; I was here" in Washington, he said. "In this time period, I'm not talking to him," Tenet added, noting that they had not even spoken by phone at the time. The month before the attacks has come under particular scrutiny after the inquiry discovered that Bush received a briefing on August 6, 2001 about al-Qaeda activities in the United States.

2. AP Wire Reprint (April 15, 2004)

KHOU.com Houston, TX

Tenet misspoke about not meeting Bush in August 2001

Associated Press

WASHINGTON, D.C. - CIA Director George Tenet misspoke Wednesday when he told a federal panel reviewing the Sept. 11 attacks that he did not meet with President Bush in August 2001. Under questioning by commissioner Tim Roemer, Tenet said he never spoke with Bush during the month before the attacks, a period marked by concern over possible terrorist strike. "He was on vacation and I was here," Tenet said, although he added that he could have picked up the phone and called the president at any time if he had felt the need to communicate with him. In fact, Tenet flew to Texas to brief Bush on Aug. 17, 2001, and briefed the president again on Aug. 31 when Bush returned to Washington, a spokesman for Tenet said later in the day. During the first eight days of September, Tenet briefed Bush at least six times, the spokesman said.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Further Sources:

For more information, go to: http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL031... <...>

For a more general introduction: http://www.democraticunderground.com/artic...

Acknowledgments and Notes on Sources:

1. The existence of the 8/25/01 White House press notice was first publicly noted by Michael Wright, whose cooperation is appeciated. His writings on 9/11-related topics are available at: http://www.jerrypippin.com/Wright_OP.htm

2. The AFP and AP wire stories appear in secondary outlets. The news accounts reprinted above are believed to be accurate, but others may wish to verify the veracity of the information by communication with the originating news agencies and their sources. Reproduction herein of those materials is covered by the Fair Use Doctrine, Title 17, Chap. 1, Sec. 107; this press release may be reproduced in whole or part.

3. No endorsement is made here of any conclusions, positions, or statements that other parties might have previously expressed about the facts referenced in this story. The opinions expressed above are solely those of the author.


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Haven't we been saying all this for 10 years? n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #1
Yup harun Jun 2012 #4
Yes, every aspect of 9/11 & the War on Iraq, 10 years here at the DU, not in "liberal" media. nt patrice Jun 2012 #6
It backs up totally what Sandy Berger, MrTwister Jun 2012 #82
It's a total fiction that Bush and his nat'l security circle were "on leave" during August '01. leveymg Jun 2012 #103
yep libodem Jun 2012 #140
Great post. Kaleko Jun 2012 #154
Thank you for that. leveymg Jun 2012 #156
One of these days Kaleko Jun 2012 #173
There should be an investigation Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #219
If you can book Senate Hearing Room 226 and round up the Committee, I'll be there. leveymg Aug 2012 #221
+1000 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #115
So now it all comes out. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #2
So, Condi...what will your speech at the convention be about? nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #217
Can you IMAGINE if Obama had spent the entire month of August 2009 on vacation??? arcane1 Jun 2012 #3
LIHOP, anyone? baldguy Jun 2012 #5
After the way he handled Katrina, I've decided it's more ineptness. pacalo Jun 2012 #9
Who said their response to Katrina wasn't LIHOP as well? baldguy Jun 2012 #18
The aftermath under Bush's leadership was like living in a gulag situation. pacalo Jun 2012 #77
re: Who said their response to Katrina wasn't LIHOP as well? clang1 Jun 2012 #147
Hanlon's razor. boppers Jun 2012 #178
They are business people. There is a distinct difference between running a business where you are jwirr Jun 2012 #138
PNAC wrote the game plan for the ME in the '90s Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #12
The PNAC is the context to which I judge what happened. Gregorian Jun 2012 #19
kick .. PNAC is alive and well today.. look at the mideast... lib2DaBone Jun 2012 #56
Romney will be a pushover for them Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #76
You are right on. It is scary what will transpire if he is elected. olegramps Jun 2012 #116
PNAC in context reads a lot different. boppers Jun 2012 #179
So some of the most powerful people in the United States, Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #215
Some of the most powerful people in the world thought troops should get better laptops in the field. boppers Aug 2012 #216
+10000 Useless in FL Jun 2012 #17
How about Politicalboi Jun 2012 #24
Nope! wildbilln864 Jun 2012 #210
The network news on this will be pre-empted by the usual dog and pony shows. L0oniX Jun 2012 #7
Exactly. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #23
Dog and Pony shows? 90-percent Jun 2012 #113
obama shanti Jun 2012 #124
Hindsight is 20/20 siligut Jun 2012 #8
At some point we need to apologize to the CTers. zeemike Jun 2012 #10
CTers? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #26
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You wonder about Bush and the 'yellowcake' saga Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #43
Lost me almost immediately krkaufman Jun 2012 #45
That's a good one Politicalboi Jun 2012 #55
Seats? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #66
They didn't even find a plane... Blanks Jun 2012 #71
more questions stockholmer Jun 2012 #85
A simple question relating to point 3: was 11, 175, 193, or 77 involved in the hijacking drills? Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #86
none were part of the live drills that day but.................. stockholmer Jun 2012 #192
Curious how you know this. Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #193
sorry, I should have said none that I know of, I apologize stockholmer Jun 2012 #195
Thanks...and I couldn't agree more with this point: Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #196
I can answer a couple of your questions. ehrnst Jun 2012 #102
About DNA, and why it may have been more likely to have survived a blast than metal ehrnst Jun 2012 #110
Not all seats would have burned up jeff47 Jun 2012 #128
You know about google, right? boppers Jun 2012 #180
This Video was discussed in Creative Speculation several month ago cpwm17 Jun 2012 #141
Thank you for sharing that mysticalchick Jun 2012 #148
Pardon my ignorance... KansDem Jun 2012 #151
Conspiracy theorist. zeemike Jun 2012 #37
Why? Not one word in either the OP nor the extended article supports MIHOP or apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #51
Why can't we ask Politicalboi Jun 2012 #58
Your questions are very easily answered jeff47 Jun 2012 #126
No it isn't and never was. Raster Jun 2012 #92
Dick Cheney* knew more about 9/11 than Saddam Hussein. 90-percent Jun 2012 #114
So because Bush lied about something everyone knew he lied about... Major Nikon Jun 2012 #95
Did I say that? zeemike Jun 2012 #98
Ridiculous! FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #11
i'll take a LIHOP with a large limited hangout to go.. frylock Jun 2012 #13
They also fired the #1 Al Qaeda expert Mnpaul Jun 2012 #14
Check this out Politicalboi Jun 2012 #28
Sorry, audio is too annoying demwing Jun 2012 #31
that's not all stupidicus Jun 2012 #15
People tend to forget Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #16
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great summary krkaufman Jun 2012 #49
The very fact that they claimed Clinton was trying to distract Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #60
he hit the "trifecta" nashville_brook Jun 2012 #52
he hit the "trifecta" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #61
for reals. nashville_brook Jun 2012 #129
The British seem to suggest that bush and blair had already decided to invade Iraq Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #74
Rumsfeld was running around the Pentagon that day ehrnst Jun 2012 #117
Meanwhile Cheney was in the situation room Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #146
I don't understand Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #163
Charles Burlingame Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #169
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How convenient..... SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #120
Yup. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #145
will the docs be posted online? nt rateyes Jun 2012 #20
Hiya, rateyes! Octafish Jun 2012 #204
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WARNING! WARNING! Politicalboi Jun 2012 #22
I so believe your lasst sentence! Always thought that myself. Osama was the ticket to the wars. nt snappyturtle Jun 2012 #32
We ALWAYS need Politicalboi Jun 2012 #63
...and a hole in the side of the pentagon Blanks Jun 2012 #36
. Cooley Hurd Jun 2012 #38
I don't believe all the conspiracy theories. Blanks Jun 2012 #44
So if not the plane then what happened to Flight 77? former9thward Jun 2012 #53
It's stupid to ask questions? Politicalboi Jun 2012 #65
I always have this burning question Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #70
The fighters are supposed to be scrambled... Blanks Jun 2012 #87
Tell your wife my neighbor was on that "missile" that hit the Pentagon. ehrnst Jun 2012 #107
I'm not sure why I would tell her that... Blanks Jun 2012 #109
I'm not sure what documentary you saw. ehrnst Jun 2012 #112
I can see that the miscommunication is my fault. Blanks Jun 2012 #123
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I understand - and we won't ever know everything that happened that day. ehrnst Jun 2012 #130
Everyone has gotten kind of fired up. Blanks Jun 2012 #137
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OK, so an analysis on an individual column Blanks Jun 2012 #184
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Perhaps it is time to move on then Blanks Jun 2012 #189
You asked several times... Blanks Jun 2012 #186
Air defense is done via aircraft jeff47 Jun 2012 #131
Surely Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #166
What does this have to do with Friend or Foe? jeff47 Jun 2012 #174
Unlikely Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #175
Their other option was what, exactly? jeff47 Jun 2012 #176
The Pentagon doesn't have missile defenses. former9thward Jun 2012 #135
I don't believe that Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #164
It is stupid to suggest something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. former9thward Jun 2012 #136
The missile-hitting-the-Pentagon is an example of disinfo mentioned above. Qutzupalotl Jun 2012 #143
That would involve scores of people if not hundreds. former9thward Jun 2012 #159
That wouldn't explain the foreknowledge. Qutzupalotl Jun 2012 #172
Apparently you think the VP can just pick a phone and order something. former9thward Jun 2012 #185
Read "Crossing the Rubicon." nt Qutzupalotl Jun 2012 #199
Yes - I would love to know what happened to my neighbor, as would his wife and kids ehrnst Jun 2012 #106
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Weird Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #73
I would like to know what happened to the passengers on Flight 77. ehrnst Jun 2012 #105
Because wings are so strong they can cut through reinforced concrete. jeff47 Jun 2012 #132
UBL was the right wing bogey (boogey) man Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #27
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to date there has still not been a thorough investigation of the 9/11 attacks. tomp Jun 2012 #29
Looks like We hit the trifecta! Rain Mcloud Jun 2012 #30
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A full year before 9/11 Bush was not in office. Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #40
2.3 Trillion was Politicalboi Jun 2012 #67
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It's a mis-telling of an old story. sofa king Jun 2012 #79
I believe Bush also took the subs tasked with killing OBL off station in the Gulf. Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #89
k & r thanks for posting...nt Stuart G Jun 2012 #41
Bush is a traitor. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #42
By the way, can we see these documents now that they have been declassified? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #46
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But not before the other usual suspects get here to complain about the first set Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #181
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Anothe plausable deniability release of info far too late. PufPuf23 Jun 2012 #54
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A third Star Member blocked me since this post. PufPuf23 Jun 2012 #72
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A year before 9/11? longship Jun 2012 #57
Its not a mistake creeksneakers2 Jun 2012 #88
My understanding was that they were monitoring. ehrnst Jun 2012 #104
Now is not the time to point fingers. n/t Hotler Jun 2012 #64
LOL! Politicalboi Jun 2012 #69
Wouldn't want to play THE BLAME GAME, now. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #122
Anyone else get the feeling CoffeeCat Jun 2012 #68
Only 1 guy in our government can pull the levels and get the government to react. Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #91
I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that... CoffeeCat Jun 2012 #155
I don't think we completely disagree. Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #157
Rupert Murdoch was pressing Tony Blair Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #171
Precisely...What the hell is Rupert Murdoch CoffeeCat Jun 2012 #182
You are right Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #183
Bush Knew. kpete Jun 2012 #75
I often wondered Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #78
That was jet number TWO. Raster Jun 2012 #90
Yes! The first jet he said he saw hit the WTC, then he said he heard about it. KansDem Jun 2012 #191
Remember...he saw the 1st one and thought, "that's one bad pilot" Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #197
He should be arrested and questioned... KansDem Jun 2012 #201
Don't forget his pals in the bin Ladin family... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #218
I wonder if the networks will talk about this nonstop for weeks. The same way they would if Obama Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2012 #80
Not new information for us but still important to document it! jimlup Jun 2012 #81
Bush insisted our greatest threat was from a missile creeksneakers2 Jun 2012 #84
3000 people died on 9/11/01 and no justice served. Old and In the Way Jun 2012 #93
Not to mention the 2000+ Americans dead in resulting wars since. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2012 #108
I still don't care what anyone says, they WANTED it to happen. The new Pearl Harbor. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #94
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Enjoy your stay. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #100
"You guys?" In the interest of being welcoming TBF Jun 2012 #101
I wish this would be able to get some traction lunatica Jun 2012 #97
One must believe either one of two things: Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #111
I'm going with option #2. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #134
All that BS afterward, Homeland Security, Patriot Act etc. etc. were just power grabs by Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #118
8 mos. into the job * takes a one-mo vacation from protecting US wordpix Jun 2012 #121
Hindsight? joycejnr Jun 2012 #127
Told you so libodem Jun 2012 #139
Absolutely none of these support the "truther" claims that the US Government conducted 9-11 cpwm17 Jun 2012 #144
Wrong. These documents show that bupkus Jun 2012 #150
Or it could have just been criminal negligence/incompetence pauldp Jun 2012 #153
"Truthers" In the Creative Speculation group make claims such as: cpwm17 Jun 2012 #161
Bush say he first saw the 9/11 attacks, then he said he heard about them KansDem Jun 2012 #142
I'd just like to say to all the people who criticize "9/11 conspiracy theories" as NUTS bupkus Jun 2012 #149
Keep believing that if you like cpwm17 Jun 2012 #162
You forgot to mention bupkus Jun 2012 #187
The people who believe what I listed are the ones normally called "conspiracy nuts" cpwm17 Jun 2012 #190
Considering the Bush family's history of consorting with the enemy (Nazis) bupkus Jun 2012 #198
I've signed to agree and that I always dsteven9 Jun 2012 #200
I have always.... MountainMama Jun 2012 #152
Here's a cartoon from the paper I scanned right after 9/11 Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #158
Perfect sakabatou Jun 2012 #160
Negligence and incompetence - is there any part of Bush's life that wouldn't lead you to that ? underpants Jun 2012 #165
Kicking. n/t Hotler Jun 2012 #168
They needed that "new Pearl Harbor event" wildbilln864 Jun 2012 #194
I've been watching a few days and NOT A SINGLE MENTION on the mainstream TV news librechik Jun 2012 #202
Not in the foreign media either Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #208
with some of the conjectures, it seems like "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" newspeak Jun 2012 #203
Companies like Halliburton and subsidaries made a profit out of Iraq Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #205
There goes the Obama administration again... Bucky Jun 2012 #206
Sounds SO much more FISHY now. I hope Romney picks Condi...longshot but, as long Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #209
on August 6 - a day that will live in infamy - Republicans ignored the clear warning Berlum Aug 2012 #211
''All right. You've covered your ass, now.'' Octafish Aug 2012 #212
My own conspiracy theory is TSTPIFH... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #213
TLPIFH ? Berlum Aug 2012 #214
I suspect that the truth is far more complicated than a simple LIHOP theory... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #220
kick this a thousand fing times samsingh Aug 2012 #222
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