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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
55. It is so different from our legal system where bail means charges; talking can be done on the phone.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:59 PM
Jun 2012

I've been a fan of Assange on and off for a while. I've posted threads elsewhere about him for years. Not this thread, but this is one of his early quotes I cited:

Every release that we do of material has a second message... If you engage in immoral, in unjust behavior, it will be found out. ~ Julian Assange.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x4155#4155

So much has been brought to light through this organization. Most people here know all of this, but is just a small sample:

WikiLeaks cables: Iraq security firms operate 'mafia' to inflate prices

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-iraq-security-firms

Of course there were the releases Manning is suffering for now. I felt he was used by all sides in this. And Sweden seems both friend and foe to Assange:

Important Swedish documentary on Wikileaks (in English)


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/13/928781/-Important-Swedish-documentary-on-Wikileaks-in-English



I've watched these and appreciate someone finally telling the news that corporate media refuses to report about the serious things going on in our world.

Which definitely needs to happen since the corporate take over of mainstream media, they'll only tell us what they're paid to say. Every single word, both said and unsaid, is paid for. The Swedish system appears much different than ours:

Rape claim against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange withdrawn


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/7957882/Rape-claim-against-Wikileaks-founder-Julian-Assange-withdrawn.html

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in limbo as supporters seek bail money

JULIAN Assange remained behind bars in London today as supporters scrambled to raise £200,000 ($316,000) in cash so he can be released on bail.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-in-limbo-as-supporters-seek-bail-money/comments-fn775xjq-1225971287826

I hear you saying the problem had to do with the embassy. It seems someone is overreaching there. Many famous persons have come out on all sides of this:

Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange (A statement from Michael Moore)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/why-im-posting-bail-money_b_796319.html

Assange had to stay with friends in the UK out in the country:

Christmas With Julian Assange. A Newsweek photo gallery of Julian's Christmas

A real Newsweek photo gallery of Julian's Christmas, with Assange as Santa, feeding chickens, posing next to Christmas tree and opening cards, and more. Check out sack he is carrying as Santa, with note that he has been very, very good "most of the time."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/galleries/2010/12/30/exclusive-photos-of-wikileaks-julian-assange.html

The life and times of one of the best known people in the world. The reports of asylum haven't worked out. Moore details his opinion below. Assange's legal situation IMO, is an example of an empire grasping too far:

It's Up to You, Rafael


http://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10150872297331857

The most interesting I ever posted in relation to Assange and Wikileaks is this piece:

If you rule by code you will fall by code: the philosophy of Wikileaks

...Humans are animals of protocol. Our behavior is determined by rules - conscious and not. Until recently, the protocol was an instrument of hegemonic power: the rule-ing elites were makers and masters of the protocols that were used to control the people. The writing and policing of protocol was reserved for the elite.

The Internet today is the place through which humanity is coming to realise that liberty will require that we – the collective we – take control of the building and re-design of protocol. Wikileaks is a real milestone in that process...

The message sent by Wikileaks to governments is this: “you are using the digital to organise the world and to control the people; but that means that the people will also have access to your mechanisms of control, the code and the data; the people will be able to hack you – to uncover and subvert your hegemonic uses.” The only way governments could stop this democratising force would be to imprison the coders – a temptation some seem to be tempted by...

http://www.opendemocracy.net/print/57240

I've posted a lot more on this but we all seem to be involved, in one way or the other. Perhaps no so much to fear as we do at times. Strange creature, the internet. Nice to see you here again, EFarrari.


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In hindsight, this was inevitable longship Jun 2012 #1
Ecuador offers residency to WikiLeaks' Assange dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #2
that offer was nullified by Correa shortly thereafter Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #6
The Monroe Doctrine is sinking fast starroute Jun 2012 #7
Some soap operas should never be renewed past the first season. randome Jun 2012 #3
Oh, are you bored with this? Hissyspit Jun 2012 #4
His former coworkers think he's an asshole. randome Jun 2012 #8
What utterly shallow nonsense... Hissyspit Jun 2012 #9
The WOMEN filing charges, I should have said. randome Jun 2012 #10
There are no charges against Assange. That is wrong. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #18
'Allegations', then. randome Jun 2012 #23
re: His former coworkers think he's an asshole clang1 Jun 2012 #33
The other Wikileaks operators were against the document dump. randome Jun 2012 #35
The other Wikileaks operators were against the document dump clang1 Jun 2012 #36
Yes, this is one treestar Jun 2012 #25
But he's a suspected sex offender! think Jun 2012 #5
seems like he isn't interested in defending himself though Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #11
UK wont give him to the US, he has no charges against him, certainly not in the US larkrake Jun 2012 #12
The risk he faces dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #13
and the UK would not??? n/t Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #16
Doubt it in this case dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #17
thanks, then obviously the Sweden wouldn't either. Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #15
Well, it does. Hissyspit Jun 2012 #24
the US could ask for his extradition from the UK Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #53
"For several reasons, Assange has long feared that the US would be able to coerce Sweden into..." Hissyspit Jun 2012 #60
Why wouldn't the U.K. extradite him now? randome Jun 2012 #62
This page has much more information on the issue. Hissyspit Jun 2012 #63
That's a lot of conjecture. randome Jun 2012 #64
I agree, if anything the Sweden thing is just delaying extradition to the US if that is Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #65
Wow clang1 Jun 2012 #14
i support assange and hope he can eventually get back to providing an outlet for whistleblowers. nt xiamiam Jun 2012 #52
Assange = safe => RW trolls = mad. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #19
Trolls all right clang1 Jun 2012 #82
I'm conflicted on Assange SylviaD Jun 2012 #20
whole so-called 'case' against Assange is very troublesome, rife w/ CIA ties, & a dodgy prosecutor stockholmer Jun 2012 #21
Justice for Assange clang1 Jun 2012 #31
Which Supreme Court? Sweden or Great Britain? 2banon Jun 2012 #37
I just saw the Appeal addressing the U.K. Supreme court.. got it 2banon Jun 2012 #38
Which Supreme Court? Sweden or Great Britain? clang1 Jun 2012 #39
Ditto what the other Assange defenders have said. Don't believe the smears. snot Jun 2012 #22
+1 Thanks for the recap think Jun 2012 #29
Gary McKinnon did NOT admit to any extraditable offence Doj Jun 2012 #76
Thank you for that. Nihil Jun 2012 #78
Thanks for the correction; and sympathy. snot Jun 2012 #81
So was he tested for STDs? randome Jun 2012 #79
He waited for 5 wks in Sweden and authorities never got it together to meet w/ him for questioning. snot Jun 2012 #80
Now there's a chickenshit move. struggle4progress Jun 2012 #26
Or not. Hissyspit Jun 2012 #27
I can't blame him. Matilda Jun 2012 #28
You make me thinkof a film clang1 Jun 2012 #32
"(Sweden has) a disturbing history of lawlessly handing over suspects to the US." Hissyspit Jun 2012 #61
South America is a very nice place L. Coyote Jun 2012 #30
The TROLLS clang1 Jun 2012 #34
Not everybody, who dislikes the twit, is a troll struggle4progress Jun 2012 #40
Not everybody, who dislikes the twit, is a troll clang1 Jun 2012 #41
Something I'd be interested to know Matilda Jun 2012 #42
re Something I'd be interested to know clang1 Jun 2012 #43
I thought he ran for office in Australia. Wouldn't that preclude his being arrested? freshwest Jun 2012 #44
I thought he ran for office in Australia. Wouldn't that preclude his being arrested? clang1 Jun 2012 #45
Remember. there are no charges in Sweden. EFerrari Jun 2012 #47
It is so different from our legal system where bail means charges; talking can be done on the phone. freshwest Jun 2012 #55
He announced earlier that he would be a Senate candidate in the next federal election, Matilda Jun 2012 #73
Thanks Matilda. I'd only read a blurb about him running, didn't know it wasn't until next year. freshwest Jun 2012 #74
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange faces arrest, police say dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #46
dipsydoodle, you understand the system in the UK best. Bail - for what? Dropped charges? freshwest Jun 2012 #56
It goes back to 2010 dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #57
Thanks, dipsydoodle. The system is so different from ours. So many countries.. freshwest Jun 2012 #58
Australia issued a 'declaration of abandonment'. randome Jun 2012 #59
More precisely, Assange's lawyers chose to describe a letter from Attorney-General Nicola Roxon struggle4progress Jun 2012 #67
Thanks for the clarification. randome Jun 2012 #71
Australia regularly intervenes in extradition proceedings? Really? struggle4progress Jun 2012 #72
Australia regularly involves itself when any Australian citizen is in trouble overseas... Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #77
re Australia issued a 'declaration of abandonment'. clang1 Jun 2012 #70
I've now edited that post dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #68
Thanks again. I hope they don't take him into custody. freshwest Jun 2012 #69
If Ecuador rejects this, his next home won't be so nice JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2012 #48
Speaking of prosecuting sex offenders... Ash_F Jun 2012 #49
Speaking of prosecuting sex offenders... clang1 Jun 2012 #50
Yeah I guess, that was a little off-topic Ash_F Jun 2012 #51
re: Yeah I guess, that was a little off-topic clang1 Jun 2012 #54
Estonian embassy must have caller ID. Robb Jun 2012 #66
Ecuador ruling on Wikileaks' Assange due 'on Thursday' Eugene Jun 2012 #75
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