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In reply to the discussion: Obama Asserts Executive Privilege On Fast And Furious Documents [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)104. Holder is LEGALLY PROHIBITED from releasing documents related to an ongoing investigation.
You ARE being deliberately obtuse, or you just don't have that Big Picture.
There is no "four paragraph minimum" on dot gov documents. They have no copyright, and they belong to you, me, and all of "We, The People."
I'm reproducing this in its entirety, because it lays out all the issues minus the GOP spin:
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/June/12-ag-776.html
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Statement of Attorney General Eric Holder on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Vote
Attorney General Eric Holder issued the following statement today:
In recent months, the Justice Department has made unprecedented accommodations to respond to information requests by Chairman Issa about misguided law enforcement tactics that began in the previous administration and allowed illegal guns to be taken into Mexico. Department professionals have spent countless hours compiling and providing thousands of documents -- nearly 8,000 -- to Chairman Issa and his committee. My staff has had numerous meetings with congressional staff to try and accommodate these requests and yesterday, I met with Chairman Issa to offer additional internal Department documents and information that would satisfy what he identified as the Committees single outstanding question.
Unfortunately, Chairman Issa has rejected all of these efforts to reach a reasonable accommodation. Instead, he has chosen to use his authority to take an extraordinary, unprecedented and entirely unnecessary action, intended to provoke an avoidable conflict between Congress and the Executive Branch. This divisive action does not help us fix the problems that led to this operation or previous ones and it does nothing to make any of our law enforcement agents safer. It's an election-year tactic intended to distract attention -- and, as a result -- has deflected critical resources from fulfilling what remains my top priority at the Department of Justice: Protecting the American people.
Simply put, any claims that the Justice Department has been unresponsive to requests for information are untrue. From the beginning, Chairman Issa and certain members of the Committee have made unsubstantiated allegations first, then scrambled for facts to try to justify them later. That might make for good political theater, but it does little to uncover the truth or address the problems associated with this operation and prior ones dating back to the previous Administration.
I have spent most of my career in law enforcement and worked closely with brave agents who put their lives on the line every day. I know the sacrifices they make, so as soon as allegations of gunwalking came to my attention and well before Chairman Issa expressed any interest in this issue -- I ordered the practice stopped. I made necessary personnel changes in the Department's leadership and instituted policy changes to ensure better oversight of significant investigations. And, I directed the Department's Inspector General to open a comprehensive investigation. That investigation is ongoing, and the American people and Congress can count on it to produce a tough, independent review of the facts.
When Chairman Issa later began his own investigation, I made it clear that the Department would cooperate with all appropriate oversight requests, while still adhering to our legal obligations to protect information involving ongoing law enforcement investigations, legally-protected grand jury material and other sensitive information whose disclosure would endanger the American people or our agents investigating open cases.
The American people deserve better. That is why, I will remain focused on, and committed to, the Justice Departments mission to protect the rights, safety, and best interests of my fellow citizens and to stand by my brave colleagues in law enforcement.
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Statement of Attorney General Eric Holder on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Vote
Attorney General Eric Holder issued the following statement today:
In recent months, the Justice Department has made unprecedented accommodations to respond to information requests by Chairman Issa about misguided law enforcement tactics that began in the previous administration and allowed illegal guns to be taken into Mexico. Department professionals have spent countless hours compiling and providing thousands of documents -- nearly 8,000 -- to Chairman Issa and his committee. My staff has had numerous meetings with congressional staff to try and accommodate these requests and yesterday, I met with Chairman Issa to offer additional internal Department documents and information that would satisfy what he identified as the Committees single outstanding question.
Unfortunately, Chairman Issa has rejected all of these efforts to reach a reasonable accommodation. Instead, he has chosen to use his authority to take an extraordinary, unprecedented and entirely unnecessary action, intended to provoke an avoidable conflict between Congress and the Executive Branch. This divisive action does not help us fix the problems that led to this operation or previous ones and it does nothing to make any of our law enforcement agents safer. It's an election-year tactic intended to distract attention -- and, as a result -- has deflected critical resources from fulfilling what remains my top priority at the Department of Justice: Protecting the American people.
Simply put, any claims that the Justice Department has been unresponsive to requests for information are untrue. From the beginning, Chairman Issa and certain members of the Committee have made unsubstantiated allegations first, then scrambled for facts to try to justify them later. That might make for good political theater, but it does little to uncover the truth or address the problems associated with this operation and prior ones dating back to the previous Administration.
I have spent most of my career in law enforcement and worked closely with brave agents who put their lives on the line every day. I know the sacrifices they make, so as soon as allegations of gunwalking came to my attention and well before Chairman Issa expressed any interest in this issue -- I ordered the practice stopped. I made necessary personnel changes in the Department's leadership and instituted policy changes to ensure better oversight of significant investigations. And, I directed the Department's Inspector General to open a comprehensive investigation. That investigation is ongoing, and the American people and Congress can count on it to produce a tough, independent review of the facts.
When Chairman Issa later began his own investigation, I made it clear that the Department would cooperate with all appropriate oversight requests, while still adhering to our legal obligations to protect information involving ongoing law enforcement investigations, legally-protected grand jury material and other sensitive information whose disclosure would endanger the American people or our agents investigating open cases.
The American people deserve better. That is why, I will remain focused on, and committed to, the Justice Departments mission to protect the rights, safety, and best interests of my fellow citizens and to stand by my brave colleagues in law enforcement.
This is a politically motivated witch hunt.
Why doesn't Issa ask some of the Bush era bozos to come on in and testify while he's waiting for Holder to complete that investigation? Hmmmm?
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White House to Issa: FUCK OFF! Now, go steal another car or something, asshole.
11 Bravo
Jun 2012
#2
You win the thread!!!! I hope MIRT runs through here and does some light housekeeping, though!! nt
MADem
Jun 2012
#56
trying to get through to the crowd in this thread: this is a RWnut/Faux News conspiracy
wordpix
Jun 2012
#118
also, this wacky conspiracy involves the NRA and "taking our guns away" hysteria crowd
wordpix
Jun 2012
#120
re: Holder Asks White House To Exert Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Docs
clang1
Jun 2012
#3
But Prosecitor's report are like Grand Jury, only confidential for a time period
happyslug
Jun 2012
#124
the viewpoint that guns and ammo in the hands of the public is bad for the country!
Kolesar
Jun 2012
#6
the only anti-gun sentiment is in the minds of the RW SS trooper who started this wacky conspiracy +
wordpix
Jun 2012
#117
Bush invoked executive priviledge 6 times and Clinton 14 times. Considering that
SlimJimmy
Jun 2012
#13
I never said he couldn't. I said the optics don't look good to the uninformed masses. You have to
SlimJimmy
Jun 2012
#122
And you know this...how? You've read the material? NO? You're talking RW talking points.
MADem
Jun 2012
#62
"WE" are--and "we" don't repeat rightwing talking points that earn us pepperoni. nt
MADem
Jun 2012
#77
Yes, he was, and people who use him as a rightwing talking point should be ashamed of themselves.
MADem
Jun 2012
#91
We want a way to be answerable to the American people, and cork that fuck Issa.
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#98
And I state again: If there is nothing to hide, show this, and yank the rug out from under Issa.
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#102
Holder is LEGALLY PROHIBITED from releasing documents related to an ongoing investigation.
MADem
Jun 2012
#104
Show some proof and suddenly you don't have a dog in this fight any more
justiceischeap
Jun 2012
#127
I doubt that loser works at all, unless you count taking out the trash and mowing mom's lawn on his
MADem
Jun 2012
#78
Actually, it was Armitage that outed Plame. Rove and his minions (Libby) took advantage of the
SlimJimmy
Jun 2012
#123
I totally agree with you on this. People think this a huge cover up - because it is.
IndyJones
Jun 2012
#49
Well, you and "YOU people" need to step quickly so the door doesn't hit you. Enjoy that PPR. nt
MADem
Jun 2012
#61
Infuriating Republicans so much the leadership has reigned in Issa multiple times?
jeff47
Jun 2012
#40
You're gone, and soon to be forgotten. But you can't release a redacted document and comply with a
MADem
Jun 2012
#69
ONLY if jurors vote to hide--Skinner needs to look at any juror who doesn't get it. And he can. nt
MADem
Jun 2012
#53
Issa has been trying to build his own Whitewater investigation out of this for over a year.
JoePhilly
Jun 2012
#71
You're not getting it, this isn't about Terry. It's about Issa trying to grandstand.
MADem
Jun 2012
#92
So provide the answers being requested and yank the rug out from under Issa.
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#97
No. Let them keep browbeating the black Attorney General, after he has been to the Hill to answer
MADem
Jun 2012
#99
Why do you keep whining that Holder won't release documents he is legally prohibited from releasing?
MADem
Jun 2012
#103
Doubling down? A stick in the eye? A way of inserting the WH into this business preparatory to a
MADem
Jun 2012
#125
And if he had handed over the documents, they would have busted him for breaking the law
justiceischeap
Jun 2012
#128
This is not about the death of any federal agent--take that OFF the table right now.
MADem
Jun 2012
#136
You need to direct your questions to Darrell Issa. He's the one trying to deliver a contempt cite
MADem
Jun 2012
#138
That is Elijah Cummings' lengthy statement that I referenced. He is Ranking on that committee. nt
MADem
Jun 2012
#148
This is a minority statement, not his personally - but that's the one you wanted? n/t
Littlewon
Jun 2012
#151
Elijah Cummings is RANKING on that Committee--i.e., when the Democrats take back the House,
MADem
Jun 2012
#152
Yes thanks M - I understand these concepts. It is more accurately a 'Minority statement' ...
Littlewon
Jun 2012
#155
Wow - surprises us both - it MAY IN FACT ultimately come down to the murder. 3rd gun found.
Littlewon
Jun 2012
#161
With the options available, Why did OBAMA choose Executive Priv? asks Twitter: @McQandO
Littlewon
Jun 2012
#158
thread/links: NRA blackmailed Republican lawmakers into voting to hold Eric Holder in contempt
wordpix
Jun 2012
#115
no, go to Rachel's video on this-she explains how a RWnut who styles himself after Timothy McVeigh
wordpix
Jun 2012
#154
With all the options available to OBAMA, WHY CHOOSE EXECUTIVE PRIV? @ Twitter: @McQandO
Littlewon
Jun 2012
#159