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MADem

(135,425 posts)
104. Holder is LEGALLY PROHIBITED from releasing documents related to an ongoing investigation.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jun 2012

You ARE being deliberately obtuse, or you just don't have that Big Picture.

There is no "four paragraph minimum" on dot gov documents. They have no copyright, and they belong to you, me, and all of "We, The People."

I'm reproducing this in its entirety, because it lays out all the issues minus the GOP spin:

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2012/June/12-ag-776.html


Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Statement of Attorney General Eric Holder on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Vote
Attorney General Eric Holder issued the following statement today:

“In recent months, the Justice Department has made unprecedented accommodations to respond to information requests by Chairman Issa about misguided law enforcement tactics that began in the previous administration and allowed illegal guns to be taken into Mexico. Department professionals have spent countless hours compiling and providing thousands of documents -- nearly 8,000 -- to Chairman Issa and his committee. My staff has had numerous meetings with congressional staff to try and accommodate these requests and yesterday, I met with Chairman Issa to offer additional internal Department documents and information that would satisfy what he identified as the Committee’s single outstanding question.

“Unfortunately, Chairman Issa has rejected all of these efforts to reach a reasonable accommodation. Instead, he has chosen to use his authority to take an extraordinary, unprecedented and entirely unnecessary action, intended to provoke an avoidable conflict between Congress and the Executive Branch. This divisive action does not help us fix the problems that led to this operation or previous ones and it does nothing to make any of our law enforcement agents safer. It's an election-year tactic intended to distract attention -- and, as a result -- has deflected critical resources from fulfilling what remains my top priority at the Department of Justice: Protecting the American people.

“Simply put, any claims that the Justice Department has been unresponsive to requests for information are untrue. From the beginning, Chairman Issa and certain members of the Committee have made unsubstantiated allegations first, then scrambled for facts to try to justify them later. That might make for good political theater, but it does little to uncover the truth or address the problems associated with this operation and prior ones dating back to the previous Administration.

“I have spent most of my career in law enforcement and worked closely with brave agents who put their lives on the line every day. I know the sacrifices they make, so as soon as allegations of gunwalking came to my attention – and well before Chairman Issa expressed any interest in this issue -- I ordered the practice stopped. I made necessary personnel changes in the Department's leadership and instituted policy changes to ensure better oversight of significant investigations. And, I directed the Department's Inspector General to open a comprehensive investigation. That investigation is ongoing, and the American people and Congress can count on it to produce a tough, independent review of the facts.

“When Chairman Issa later began his own investigation, I made it clear that the Department would cooperate with all appropriate oversight requests, while still adhering to our legal obligations to protect information involving ongoing law enforcement investigations, legally-protected grand jury material and other sensitive information whose disclosure would endanger the American people or our agents investigating open cases.

“The American people deserve better. That is why, I will remain focused on, and committed to, the Justice Department’s mission to protect the rights, safety, and best interests of my fellow citizens and to stand by my brave colleagues in law enforcement.”


This is a politically motivated witch hunt.

Why doesn't Issa ask some of the Bush era bozos to come on in and testify while he's waiting for Holder to complete that investigation? Hmmmm?

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Piss on 'em, Mr. President AngryAmish Jun 2012 #1
White House to Issa: FUCK OFF! Now, go steal another car or something, asshole. 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #2
Yep, the car thief's witch hunt hit a brick wall. savalez Jun 2012 #19
Well said my friend!!! n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #31
You win the thread!!!! I hope MIRT runs through here and does some light housekeeping, though!! nt MADem Jun 2012 #56
Yeah, Issa, and burn down a building or two, why dontcha? wordpix Jun 2012 #94
You beat me to it. I second that. freshwest Jun 2012 #95
trying to get through to the crowd in this thread: this is a RWnut/Faux News conspiracy wordpix Jun 2012 #118
also, this wacky conspiracy involves the NRA and "taking our guns away" hysteria crowd wordpix Jun 2012 #120
re: Holder Asks White House To Exert Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Docs clang1 Jun 2012 #3
Dreadful mistake on the face of it. Loudly Jun 2012 #4
Redacting isn't allowed jeff47 Jun 2012 #5
On the money. go west young man Jun 2012 #7
You can show unredacted versions in closed session. Loudly Jun 2012 #8
Because Congressmen have never leaked sensitive information, right? jeff47 Jun 2012 #25
I think the answer is yes, Congress has never leaked sensitive information happyslug Jun 2012 #68
So your lack of knowledge proves Congress never leaks? jeff47 Jun 2012 #81
Do you have an example? happyslug Jun 2012 #105
Ken Star's report. jeff47 Jun 2012 #111
Ken Star was Special Proecutor happyslug Jun 2012 #119
You are utterly, completely, 100% wrong jeff47 Jun 2012 #121
But Prosecitor's report are like Grand Jury, only confidential for a time period happyslug Jun 2012 #124
Oh please--so some asshole staffer can leak the info to DAILY CALLER? Get real. MADem Jun 2012 #58
Thank you. I'm now understanding what is going on here. Much appreciated. Gregorian Jun 2012 #41
100% correct nt steve2470 Jun 2012 #73
the viewpoint that guns and ammo in the hands of the public is bad for the country! Kolesar Jun 2012 #6
You think they're good for the country? Loudly Jun 2012 #9
No one should accomodate Daryl Issa, his main job is and always has been to sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #67
the only anti-gun sentiment is in the minds of the RW SS trooper who started this wacky conspiracy + wordpix Jun 2012 #117
Hmmm, who does this remind me of? Beacool Jun 2012 #10
Bush invoked executive priviledge 6 times and Clinton 14 times. Considering that SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #13
Presidents CAN invoke executive priviledge Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #93
I never said he couldn't. I said the optics don't look good to the uninformed masses. You have to SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #122
There may be some legitimate claim of national security protection here. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #43
Do None Of You People usaprogress Jun 2012 #11
re: Do None Of You People clang1 Jun 2012 #12
I don't know about Watergate bad (politically speaking) but it's bad. Bradical79 Jun 2012 #14
And you know this...how? You've read the material? NO? You're talking RW talking points. MADem Jun 2012 #62
What are you talking about? Bradical79 Jun 2012 #72
You apparently didn't listen to Elijah Cummings. You should. MADem Jun 2012 #75
No. Wittingly, I think. watrwefitinfor Jun 2012 #85
I was trying to be polite. MADem Jun 2012 #86
You're always polite. :-) n/t watrwefitinfor Jun 2012 #107
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #114
Bzzzt. Sorry wrong answer. BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #15
So I'm guessing usaprogress Jun 2012 #16
Your concern is touching leftynyc Jun 2012 #18
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #23
This is a genuine national security matter, and Holder and Obama JDPriestly Jun 2012 #46
Your scent will soon fade. Goodnight "Sweet" Prince...enjoy your PPR. nt MADem Jun 2012 #76
We are, after all usaprogress Jun 2012 #24
"WE" are--and "we" don't repeat rightwing talking points that earn us pepperoni. nt MADem Jun 2012 #77
Brian Terry was a person.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #89
Yes, he was, and people who use him as a rightwing talking point should be ashamed of themselves. MADem Jun 2012 #91
We want a way to be answerable to the American people, and cork that fuck Issa. PavePusher Jun 2012 #98
You are being--for reasons coming clear to me--deliberately obtuse. MADem Jun 2012 #100
And I state again: If there is nothing to hide, show this, and yank the rug out from under Issa. PavePusher Jun 2012 #102
Holder is LEGALLY PROHIBITED from releasing documents related to an ongoing investigation. MADem Jun 2012 #104
Show some proof and suddenly you don't have a dog in this fight any more justiceischeap Jun 2012 #127
Like schoolchildren running away to recess! Like sands through the hourglass!!! MADem Jun 2012 #132
Bless the MIRT! MADem Jun 2012 #130
Why was "Remerberance's" post hidden? panzerfaust Jun 2012 #140
It was "This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive " may3rd Jun 2012 #150
Do you work for DOJ? BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #30
I doubt that loser works at all, unless you count taking out the trash and mowing mom's lawn on his MADem Jun 2012 #78
Actually, it was Armitage that outed Plame. Rove and his minions (Libby) took advantage of the SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #123
There is no evidence against Holder. jeff47 Jun 2012 #27
Funny....... Guerrilla Machinist Jun 2012 #34
You have a terrible definition of "bigger" (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #36
So much concern leftynyc Jun 2012 #38
This is not Watergate. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #51
Randi Rhodes has the facts and broadcast them in Hour 1 of her show JDPriestly Jun 2012 #83
The disruptor has left the building. nt MADem Jun 2012 #60
oooh, bigger than Wgate! I call BS wordpix Jun 2012 #96
+1000, this is a Faux News story based on a RWnut's conspiracy theory wordpix Jun 2012 #116
I disagree with you, usaprogress. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #45
I want to correct my post to show that I listened to Randi Rhodes JDPriestly Jun 2012 #82
I totally agree with you on this. People think this a huge cover up - because it is. IndyJones Jun 2012 #49
Well, you and "YOU people" need to step quickly so the door doesn't hit you. Enjoy that PPR. nt MADem Jun 2012 #61
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #112
"We people" note your concern. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #139
Good. Fuck the extreme Right-Wing. onehandle Jun 2012 #17
Yes F&F was a stupid and moronic idea and sadly a border agent was killed, Smilo Jun 2012 #20
Watch... joycejnr Jun 2012 #21
All this shit is going to backfire on the GOP Iliyah Jun 2012 #22
No, actually usaprogress Jun 2012 #26
re: No, actually clang1 Jun 2012 #29
Infuriating Republicans so much the leadership has reigned in Issa multiple times? jeff47 Jun 2012 #40
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #47
Your theory doesn't make sense because the Republicans reigned Issa in. jeff47 Jun 2012 #54
Captain Orange!!!! MADem Jun 2012 #143
So much for an open, transparent government. Roland99 Jun 2012 #28
Remember this ? Guerrilla Machinist Jun 2012 #32
Some of y'all just don't get it. Remembrance Jun 2012 #33
It's now a whole new ball game and some of you don't see it. Guerrilla Machinist Jun 2012 #35
Thankfully you and your newbie friends leftynyc Jun 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #48
More bored than sarcastic leftynyc Jun 2012 #57
Enjoy your pizza. nt MADem Jun 2012 #59
Nail. Head. Le Taz Hot Jun 2012 #113
Yes we know the GOP will make it the number items on their Iliyah Jun 2012 #37
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #42
Where do you make that leap of logic? MADem Jun 2012 #44
I'm sure the brand-new poster in a thread spouting anti-administration BS jeff47 Jun 2012 #50
You forget something... gorgozola Jun 2012 #55
re: You forget something... clang1 Jun 2012 #66
You're gone, and soon to be forgotten. But you can't release a redacted document and comply with a MADem Jun 2012 #69
Nice Leap of Faith bpj62 Jun 2012 #64
Whew! MIRT is going to be busy on this thread. n/t Godhumor Jun 2012 #52
ONLY if jurors vote to hide--Skinner needs to look at any juror who doesn't get it. And he can. nt MADem Jun 2012 #53
I see the concern trolls are out in full force today Hugabear Jun 2012 #63
Or the same concern troll with multiple DU accounts. savalez Jun 2012 #70
Rep. Mica's hairpiece uniguard Jun 2012 #65
Issa has been trying to build his own Whitewater investigation out of this for over a year. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #71
Who cares, really? humbled_opinion Jun 2012 #74
this started on bush`s watch and continued madrchsod Jun 2012 #79
re: this started on bush`s watch and continued clang1 Jun 2012 #106
Transparency must be demanded in our government. Lions_fan Jun 2012 #80
This is a witch hunt, that will fail!! Happydayz Jun 2012 #84
I just don't care anything about this high density Jun 2012 #87
Is Brian Terry's familys anger "faux outrage"? n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #88
You're not getting it, this isn't about Terry. It's about Issa trying to grandstand. MADem Jun 2012 #92
So provide the answers being requested and yank the rug out from under Issa. PavePusher Jun 2012 #97
No. Let them keep browbeating the black Attorney General, after he has been to the Hill to answer MADem Jun 2012 #99
Have you seen the redaction on those "thousands of pages"? PavePusher Jun 2012 #101
Why do you keep whining that Holder won't release documents he is legally prohibited from releasing? MADem Jun 2012 #103
If holder is legally prohibited, why is EP necessary? N/T beevul Jun 2012 #108
Doubling down? A stick in the eye? A way of inserting the WH into this business preparatory to a MADem Jun 2012 #125
And if he had handed over the documents, they would have busted him for breaking the law justiceischeap Jun 2012 #128
Too much time on my hands ... Littlewon Jun 2012 #134
This is not about the death of any federal agent--take that OFF the table right now. MADem Jun 2012 #136
OK, deaths off the table. Littlewon Jun 2012 #137
You need to direct your questions to Darrell Issa. He's the one trying to deliver a contempt cite MADem Jun 2012 #138
Accepted ... Littlewon Jun 2012 #141
I invite your attention to Elijah Cummings' lenthy statement on this matter, MADem Jun 2012 #142
More in a bit - but an interim question ... Littlewon Jun 2012 #145
Intelligent people are not disagreeing, though. MADem Jun 2012 #147
Still reading ... Littlewon Jun 2012 #149
PS FYI - Democrat Oversight's Minority Statement to Majority Littlewon Jun 2012 #146
That is Elijah Cummings' lengthy statement that I referenced. He is Ranking on that committee. nt MADem Jun 2012 #148
This is a minority statement, not his personally - but that's the one you wanted? n/t Littlewon Jun 2012 #151
Elijah Cummings is RANKING on that Committee--i.e., when the Democrats take back the House, MADem Jun 2012 #152
Yes thanks M - I understand these concepts. It is more accurately a 'Minority statement' ... Littlewon Jun 2012 #155
Has anyone seen this testimony? Littlewon Jun 2012 #153
OUCH. Littlewon Jun 2012 #157
Wow - surprises us both - it MAY IN FACT ultimately come down to the murder. 3rd gun found. Littlewon Jun 2012 #161
Reuters: Wire-tap argument a red herring Littlewon Jun 2012 #156
With the options available, Why did OBAMA choose Executive Priv? asks Twitter: @McQandO Littlewon Jun 2012 #158
It's OK when our side does it!!! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #90
Looks like another win-win plan from the President. sofa king Jun 2012 #109
Looks Like The Only Time Our Resident Gun Militants Get Upset...... Paladin Jun 2012 #110
Pretty interesting comment coming from a poster named Paladin. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #126
A little background music for us all! MADem Jun 2012 #129
Perfect SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #131
What Can I Tell You? I'm A Big Richard Boone Fan. Paladin Jun 2012 #133
thread/links: NRA blackmailed Republican lawmakers into voting to hold Eric Holder in contempt wordpix Jun 2012 #115
Did they get stiffed on a gun running deal ? may3rd Jun 2012 #135
no, go to Rachel's video on this-she explains how a RWnut who styles himself after Timothy McVeigh wordpix Jun 2012 #154
The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents clang1 Jun 2012 #144
With all the options available to OBAMA, WHY CHOOSE EXECUTIVE PRIV? @ Twitter: @McQandO Littlewon Jun 2012 #159
THIRD GUN at Brian Terry's murder - Game, Set, Match? MADem? Littlewon Jun 2012 #160
EVERYONE - C-SPAN2 F&F show (3rd gun/informant) is scheduled to be repeated tomorrow 9PM EST. n/t Littlewon Jun 2012 #162
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