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Citrus

(88 posts)
37. Responsibility vs. Blame
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jun 2016

This is not meant to be disrespectful to the family, but just to explain something. As already posted, gators drown their prey and store it a den-like place underwater for consumption after putrefaction has set in. Gators usually grab prey by the head, which makes it easier to drown the prey/victim. When a victim (human, canine, etc.) can be recovered, it is often found with relatively few wounds from teeth, usually on the head area. They killed the gators because that's SOP now that gators have recovered from endangered status. There are regular gator hunts and gator meat is served in many restaurants. Even miniature golf courses often have a pond with baby gators and charge idiot visitors a fee to feed them from a bamboo pole. (I'm opposed to hunting of all kinds, don't eat animals, and hate any kind of captivity. I'm just stating facts.)

I wouldn't have let my child anywhere near that water, but I'm a Florida native and I'm more experienced and more informed about our lakes, rivers, springs, streams and oceans. (I don't think I'd've let my child even near water where there was a No Swimming sign, regardless of location.) Disney had signs that said "No Swimming". And yet there's a beach there! They made it inviting. I'm not sure it's a stretch to assume that wading is not the same as swimming. Disney also knew about the gators. They regularly remove (probably kill) any gators they find that over 4 feet long, IIRC on the length. It's simply not possible for Disney to not know there are gators in every body of water in this state (including tiny ponds).

Though that "lake" is manmade, it is connected by other natural waterways to bigger natural waterways. It is not possible to keep gators out of an area without sinking fencing a few feet underground and then slanting tall above-ground fencing outward so the gators can't climb the fence. Yes, they can climb fences and even certain walls. Even the Cape (NASA) has tall fencing that curves outward to prevent gators from getting into sensitive areas.

Most people don't know much about gators. Even people who've lived here for a long time are stupid and ignorant about the dangers. I see people walking with their small children and dogs along known gator habitats. A gator can pop up suddenly. They are silent. They blend in with our blackwater rivers and lakes. A gator can outrun any human for at least 20 feet (probably more). They are extremely fast on land for short distances. Can we expect people who visit Disney properties from all over the world to know about gators? These aren't people who are camping in the woods. (Water is never far from any spot in this state!) When one really looks at how gators are treated, how they're portrayed in captivity, and the very little warning/danger information out there, it's surprising that more people and pets aren't taken.

I think Disney is responsible. I also think Disney is to blame. They should not have made any water inviting to humans in any way unless 100% predator-proof. They knew there were gators in the water. And they knew that gators are in every body of water here. (They'll even climb fences to get into backyard pools.) At the very least, the "lakes" should not be inviting to wading or swimming, should only have elevated walkways inaccessible to gators, have large frequently-placed warning signs about gators (and other reptiles), and also monitor these areas to ensure the safety of their visitors.

Lastly, this is mating and nesting season and gators are even more dangerous now.



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Very surprised his body was found intact obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #1
If you really want to know the answer... PJMcK Jun 2016 #6
the article says that they will find the alligator who did it... ginnyinWI Jun 2016 #16
Yeah, I know, bit he was so little obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #19
Lane Graves from Elk Horn, Nebraska.....RIP OnDoutside Jun 2016 #2
RIP, Little One n/t Ms. Yertle Jun 2016 #3
Thought it was going to end this way. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #4
that poor family irisblue Jun 2016 #5
My heart breaks for him and his family. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #7
Report says MissDeeds Jun 2016 #8
Poor baby. Sophiegirl Jun 2016 #9
Heartbreaking story DesertRat Jun 2016 #10
The drown their prey JennyMominFL Jun 2016 #11
My heart breaks for that family-- and for the already-shocked city of Orlando. n/t TonyPDX Jun 2016 #12
Poor baby. herding cats Jun 2016 #13
Wierd, I keep hearing different accounts of where he was when the gator attacked. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #14
Not weird when there's a honker of a lawsuit in the balance. rocktivity Jun 2016 #20
Well a lawsuit is one possability though Disney could probably win unless they declared there were cstanleytech Jun 2016 #21
It may come down to what Disney knew and when they knew it. We live an hour from Disney and know 24601 Jun 2016 #30
I was reading an article on cnn about it earlier cstanleytech Jun 2016 #31
I saw this in the Washington Post. For context, Morgan is from the Florida famous "Morgan and 24601 Jun 2016 #33
Unless Disney built the lake and or advertised it as alligator free though cstanleytech Jun 2016 #35
Since WDW has posted warning signs at other places, why wouldn't a reasonable out of state guest 24601 Jun 2016 #36
If this was a man-made pool that might work but an open freshwater natural area in Florida? A state cstanleytech Jun 2016 #38
Seven Seas Lagoon is man-made and was dry land when Disney bought the acerage. It was dug up for 24601 Jun 2016 #39
I meant pool like the big clear ones you see alot of the water parks have that are filled with cstanleytech Jun 2016 #40
The resort neither owns nor controls the ocean. They can't even keep people off the beach in front 24601 Jun 2016 #41
I guess we have a difference of opinion on whats reasonable because to me cstanleytech Jun 2016 #42
We do have a difference and I certainly don't wish you any ill will from it. Time will tell what 24601 Jun 2016 #44
Friday update: Disney will begin posting alligator warning signs after boy’s death 24601 Jun 2016 #49
The older child was in the playpen Roland99 Jun 2016 #24
The Latest: Sheriff: 5 Gators Caught, 1 Probably the Killer Eugene Jun 2016 #15
I am bothered they killed the gators obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #18
And if this was 30+years ago I would likely agree but right now the population of gators down there cstanleytech Jun 2016 #22
I live in SOFL obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #23
They don't move them if they're over four feet. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #28
Do not be bothered GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #25
I believe the reason they killed them was to look at their stomach contents. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #26
they will measure the teeth/bite to make sure the one who grabbed the child is 'gone' Sunlei Jun 2016 #47
Poor baby! brer cat Jun 2016 #17
Night splashing did it. It's when they get their prey. Peregrine Took Jun 2016 #27
Very sad Duckko Jun 2016 #29
That poor family. Such a tragedy. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #34
Responsibility vs. Blame Citrus Jun 2016 #37
"They should not have made any water inviting to humans in any way unless 100% predator-proof. " No. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #43
Nah.... Citrus Jun 2016 #46
I agree with you 100%. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #45
It's a rare story that sticks with me past the inital read... TipTok Jun 2016 #48
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