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8. Horseshit. They're TRYING every way possible to dismiss it.

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 10:34 PM

Jun 2016

This guy showed a leaning towards Islamist ideology ever since he was in school. His schoolmates told how he laughed about 9/11. his father became a Taliban supporter. His wife knew of his plans. he made the no fly list more than once. The FBI Director says he had a history of radical statements. His co workers said he claimed he had family associations with terror groups. While that was likely a lie, why would he say it if he didnt wish it were true.
And many other things about this guy point to him having sympathetic leanings to terror groups. ISIS? who knows. Does it really matter which one or any in particular? Its a terrorist attack AND a hate crime
Does everyone want to eagerly forget that many Islamic countries will imprison or kill you for being gay?

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Investigators Say Orlando Shooter Showed Few Warning Signs Of Radicalization [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

Bit sill gun dealer decided to sell to him. scscholar Jun 2016 #1

The murderer is at fault. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #2

Someone in the ATF decided he was worthy of a firearms licence. christx30 Jun 2016 #5

Maybe because he wasn't a Muslim radical but instead a hate filled homophobic? Hate crime, terrorism uppityperson Jun 2016 #3

It appears to be turning out that way. pnwmom Jun 2016 #4

How did he become homophobic? oberliner Jun 2016 #6

How does anyone become hateful since they aren't born hating? uppityperson Jun 2016 #7

Often they are influenced by important figures in their life oberliner Jun 2016 #12

He was living in a homophobic family in a larger homophobic culture. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #9

He was living in a homophobic family? oberliner Jun 2016 #13

The descriptions by his ex-wife. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #16

Also things his father said about himself. uppityperson Jun 2016 #18

Exactly. No evidence of being radicalized because he wasn't. AllyCat Jun 2016 #10

He was a mentally ill man afraid of himself? oberliner Jun 2016 #14

Shooting a hundred people is the act of a mentally ill person AllyCat Jun 2016 #19

So why do people go to jail for murder? oberliner Jun 2016 #25

A PICTURE IS EMERGING FROM PEOPLE IN HIS LIFE....MATEEN WAS DISPLAYING PROBLEMS EARLY IN LIFE. cynzke Jun 2016 #39

Holy wall o' text! brett_jv Jun 2016 #43

Horseshit. They're TRYING every way possible to dismiss it. 7962 Jun 2016 #8

Because some Islamic countries will imprison you or kill you for being gay does not mean every uppityperson Jun 2016 #11

Muslims overwhelmingly say that homosexual behavior is morally wrong oberliner Jun 2016 #15

And so do most of the fundamentalist Christians in Florida. So do fundamentalists pnwmom Jun 2016 #17

Yes, if a person said they killed gays in the name of fundamental Christianity I would believe them oberliner Jun 2016 #21

Did you read the OP? It answers some of your questions. uppityperson Jun 2016 #22

Have you read any other news items on this subject? oberliner Jun 2016 #26

Yes, I have. The FBI investigated him after he claimed he knew the Boston bombing brothers, and uppityperson Jun 2016 #29

Maybe it's worth doing more than a quick search? oberliner Jun 2016 #31

Here's the point ... if he was NOT IN CONTACT with anyone from these groups ... brett_jv Jun 2016 #45

It seems to be clear that he was not coordinating with any international terrorist organizations oberliner Jun 2016 #47

"Most Muslims surveyed say that drinking alcohol is morally wrong." Yet the shooter drank to excess uppityperson Jun 2016 #20

What is your evidence for your assertion that the shooter drank to excess? oberliner Jun 2016 #23

There are many stories of him being drunk in the Pulse when he visited there prior to the shooting uppityperson Jun 2016 #24

Can you provide a link to one? oberliner Jun 2016 #27

Less than 5 seconds to write pulse shooting drunk and this pops up top uppityperson Jun 2016 #28

Interesting oberliner Jun 2016 #30

So did the 9/11 Highjackers forthemiddle Jun 2016 #42

I think you have to twist yourself into knots at this point to prove this attack had anything to do brett_jv Jun 2016 #46

Thank you for putting it so well. uppityperson Jun 2016 #48

Rubbish King_David Jun 2016 #54

He claimed it was for, or he was a member of ISIS, al-Qaeda and Hezbollah which is very off uppityperson Jun 2016 #55

So whatever, they all radical Islamic terrorist groups King_David Jun 2016 #56

Morally wrong except when it's "bacha bazi" ("boy play") which, though illegal, is . . . Petrushka Jun 2016 #36

All points lead to him being emotionally unstable from an early age, unfortunately he never received slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #32

There are millions of emotionally unstable people in this country oberliner Jun 2016 #33

Sadly there are too many reasons to hate and many crimes have a combination of reasons ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #37

Agreed oberliner Jun 2016 #41

And 99.9% of Muslims don't either. Thanks to the lax regulation of assault-type weapons, pnwmom Jun 2016 #40

Exactly oberliner Jun 2016 #44

I just want gun control. rusty quoin Jun 2016 #34

This is not about Islam mwrguy Jun 2016 #35

Thank you, do the people who blame Islam not listen to the Christian people ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #38

Investigators, whose job it is to locate violent radicals, tabasco Jun 2016 #49

That's it right there. Throd Jun 2016 #50

Yeah, there is conflict of interest in the investigation. goldent Jun 2016 #57

Can it be both terror and hate, as the President said? BlackLivesMatter Jun 2016 #51

Yes, it was both -- as Hillary said in her speech. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #52

Bullshit King_David Jun 2016 #53

Just your average, every day mass killer, well armed and with a grievance. Darb Jun 2016 #58