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138. I disagree that Walmart causes food stamps

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:17 PM

Jun 2016

The workers are better off than they were without the jobs or they wouldn't be working there. I don't buy your assumption that Walmart owes these people a living wage. Walmart does what's best for Walmart. If Walmart didn't hire these people would be worse off, not better. Even more food stamps would be needed.

Then there are the complaints about Walmart's business model putting companies out of business. If we went back to the old way, we'd have to go to 20 different little stores to get out shopping done. We'd have to find a place to parallel park at each one. Prices would be higher. Owners of the stores might make a decent living, but the employees would make even less than they would at Walmart.

Fighting back shouldn't involve protectionism. That's a losing bargain in the long run.

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Democrats Reject Platform Proposal Opposing Trade Deal [View all] Purveyor Jun 2016 OP

NAFTA didn't do enough damage. chapdrum Jun 2016 #1

It's the DLC moneyed interests vs the power of the people and the progressive wing...again bjobotts Jun 2016 #15

.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #41

Some people just honestly disagree with you creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #55

What are you supporting? Human101948 Jun 2016 #77

Those are part of the price that we pay. creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #81

And what is the price and for what is it paid? libdem4life Jun 2016 #106

OK creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #111

Thank you for the time and thought put into a difficult subject. libdem4life Jun 2016 #117

Thank you creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #118

... libdem4life Jun 2016 #119

You're hilarious with your planned obsolence. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #120

Some counters and links creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #121

'walmart has rules' OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #125

Thanks for all the links creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #130

Shopping at WalMart is something I have not done in more than 20 years. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #126

I work at Walmart creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #131

I worked at WalMart in a west Virginia! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #134

Your argument fails to factor in OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #135

I disagree that Walmart causes food stamps creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #138

I never said Wal-Mart causes food stamps. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #139

If Walmart doesn't cause food stamps creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #142

Global democracy Blackjackdavey Jun 2016 #143

Workers do not become empowered by working in sweatshops though OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #144

I agree with you Blackjackdavey Jun 2016 #145

Yes, and that is what we are doing. OrwellwasRight Jul 2016 #153

Thank you so much GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #154

Which does not mean OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #151

So now, when I post on DU the FACT that the Democrats phazed0 Jun 2016 #2

Why would that be hidden. Polls all show more support for TPP from the Democratic base than pampango Jun 2016 #4

Try making a post that deals negatively/Corporatist charges against the Nominee.. phazed0 Jun 2016 #5

I misunderstood. pampango Jun 2016 #8

No, you understood correctly. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #14

well not all democrats, hollysmom Jun 2016 #52

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #6

Not including it in the platform is not the same as "all Democrats are for it". TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13

I know of no democrat who is for the TPP except the DLC members and Obama. bjobotts Jun 2016 #16

Hillary refers to it as "The Gold Standard" and has advocated heavily for it. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #17

Yes, I know. nt Duval Jun 2016 #46

Thank you. k/r 840high Jun 2016 #42

When we first got wind of... ReRe Jun 2016 #79

Ron Wyden, for one Recursion Jun 2016 #112

Clearly many democrats on DU are. This is the third posting a few days! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #127

I think if we've learned anything this cycle, it's that this is not a progressive party. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #101

I wonder how many democrats currently in office... davidthegnome Jun 2016 #3

I'd wager most awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #26

Obama and Republicans Agree on the Trans-Pacific Partnership � Unfortunately think Jun 2016 #57

This article is a year out of date. okasha Jun 2016 #60

The Republicans are supportive of the TPP and always have been. That's what is important think Jun 2016 #67

The article misrepresents the current situation okasha Jun 2016 #82

The claim above was that the GOP was against the TPP and that's NEVER been true. think Jun 2016 #84

The original out-of-date article okasha Jun 2016 #85

The TPP was CREATED in secret. Was it not? It still sucks and the Pukes are still all in favor of it think Jun 2016 #87

Most governmental documents remain confidential until completed. okasha Jun 2016 #88

The unions were shut out and made their complaints known. You choose to ignore that fact think Jun 2016 #89

Ta. okasha Jun 2016 #90

Exactly ! +10! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #93

Oh please, this is a serious discussion of American jobs. libdem4life Jun 2016 #107

Oh, please, okasha Jun 2016 #108

I see little offered towards that effect. libdem4life Jun 2016 #109

It's called reductio ad absurdum. okasha Jun 2016 #110

republican politicians, (except Trump) yes. republican voters are against it more than Democratic pampango Jun 2016 #123

Trade is vital to our economy. Isolationism is not an option Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #7

A Secret Trade Deal tom_kelly Jun 2016 #19

FYI, here is the full text...,.. reACTIONary Jun 2016 #97

Nonsense.All other countries have protectionist trade policies but this one.Are you a troll? bjobotts Jun 2016 #21

this bill only protects corporations, real people be damned. hollysmom Jun 2016 #53

Herecis the full text of the so called.... reACTIONary Jun 2016 #96

Total isolationism is not good... ReRe Jun 2016 #58

I think we all agree: trade is good, it just needs to have protections Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #75

+100 !! X 2 reACTIONary Jun 2016 #95

Let me give you a prime example of trade------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #100

This is exactly why, if we do not create parameters, we lose. n/t Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #103

We have already lost, we are told that we have protections in every "trade deal"------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #136

Fucking awesome answer. Heavy understanding of cutthroat capitalism and how we get ancianita Jun 2016 #133

All we have to do is look under the blanket and see what is happening around ------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #137

Keep talking! I'm listening and so are hundreds of others! ancianita Jun 2016 #140

Agreed turbinetree Jun 2016 #152

+100 !! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #94

What is knee jerk is calling opposition to TPP OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #141

The real question about TPP ... Trajan Jun 2016 #9

Could they know something we don't? nt babylonsister Jun 2016 #11

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #22

Please do not accuse and broadbrush sheshe2 Jun 2016 #32

Then what why else would they be supporting an unpopular trade deal that hands over sovereignty to w4rma Jun 2016 #35

Do what you want. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #37

I don't support turning over sovereignty creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #56

+100 !! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #98

How to line their pockets without appearing corrupt? nt That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #63

"What has happened to the party of FDR?" FDR originated the multi-country trade organization but pampango Jun 2016 #12

Trade agreements aren't inherently bad Trajan Jun 2016 #20

Well said. There are good trade agreements and bad ones, just like there are good climate agreements pampango Jun 2016 #24

. . . Trajan Jun 2016 #27

Bad for who? Not the corporate overlords. The rest of us don't count. Akicita Jun 2016 #91

Because voting for it awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #28

They've been... ReRe Jun 2016 #59

They disagree with you about the impact of trade Recursion Jun 2016 #113

Sad. Wish the proposal had passed. sinkingfeeling Jun 2016 #10

Maybe this new Dem Party can change their name... TheProgressive Jun 2016 #18

Like the DLC's Money Party bjobotts Jun 2016 #23

Why can't you wait to see the entire platform before reverting to that label used in the primaries? Firebrand Gary Jun 2016 #36

well this was part of the primaries where BOTH candidates were agains the TPP if you don't remember. hollysmom Jun 2016 #54

+1 CharlotteVale Jun 2016 #40

FDR invented the multi-country trade agreement (ITO). republicans defeated it. JFK - Trade Expansion pampango Jun 2016 #124

Is this the latest from the Third Way Democrats? TheProgressive Jun 2016 #129

TPP is more like the concept of the ITO - a multi-country trade agreement with pampango Jun 2016 #132

This is beginning to sound like a club I don't want to belong to anymore. Sienna86 Jun 2016 #25

um...that happened? nashville_brook Jun 2016 #29

Another step to the right. rickford66 Jun 2016 #30

Number 2 swhisper1 Jun 2016 #31

They have vested interests in the TPP. ananda Jun 2016 #33

Sanders and Clinton have both come out against the TPP, which disappoints me Recursion Jun 2016 #115

OK, so in order to avoid electing a psycho-ignoramus as President, I have to VOTE FOR TPP? nikto Jun 2016 #34

President's party doesn't pick fight with him, real shocking. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #38

lol, no kidding TwilightZone Jun 2016 #49

This could be the gold standard of Democratic platforms. hay rick Jun 2016 #39

Ah yes... 840high Jun 2016 #44

yes, this stance is sure to defeat a bigmouth populist a few months after a surprise Brexit! MisterP Jun 2016 #43

There's legitimate disagreement over this. cheapdate Jun 2016 #45

Well, I'm right there with you, cheapdate. Duval Jun 2016 #48

Thanks! cheapdate Jun 2016 #50

Nicely summed-up ------ Me, too! nikto Jun 2016 #65

Corporate democrats for sure 4dsc Jun 2016 #47

Trump will be making some hay over this one. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #51

Good Move Not To Adopt Knee Jerk Anti-Trade Platform TomCADem Jun 2016 #61

What trade deals have we had that protected workers and the environment? That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #64

NAFTA, CAFTA, all of them since 1994 really Recursion Jun 2016 #114

They've been shit for the environment, and don't stop abuse including murder of labor organizers That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #122

Nice Spin rpannier Jun 2016 #68

Concerned about TPP ISDS process and government Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #62

Great info. Thanks!! nikto Jun 2016 #66

Will depend what SCOTUS rules. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #92

in light of brexit the tpp smells somewhat like the eu....and lord know we just saw how that worked dembotoz Jun 2016 #69

Right. Some need to buy a clue... eom Purveyor Jun 2016 #78

I'll give you a quarter...nt. freebrew Jun 2016 #86

For democrats in Congress supporting TPP... Bohemianwriter Jun 2016 #70

Ron Wyden is representing his constituents by supporting it Recursion Jun 2016 #116

So in what way would TPP be good in any way.. Bohemianwriter Jun 2016 #146

A majority of Democrats support the TPP Recursion Jun 2016 #147

Do you have a pol what shows the majority of the Democratic VOTER.... Bohemianwriter Jun 2016 #148

Why did you mention China? Do do you think China has something to do with NAFTA? Recursion Jun 2016 #149

We favor our workers, but there's a limit! dmosh42 Jun 2016 #71

Workers don't pay big bucks to listen to speeches. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #72

There ya go! dmosh42 Jun 2016 #73

We favor foreign workers for sure. Not so sure anymore about our workers. Akicita Jun 2016 #99

READY FOR HILLARY!!!!! Indepatriot Jun 2016 #74

To do what, exactly...? n/t Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #102

Some are for it, some against it. The platform now says that. What's the problem? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #76

This is one more platform item that both candidates agreed on, right? floriduck Jun 2016 #80

what a letdown IgelJames4 Jun 2016 #83

Good. It would be a stupid move. Hoyt Jun 2016 #104

Shit. Owl Jun 2016 #105

TPP and ISDS process and Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #128

that's the DNC for you 4dsc Jun 2016 #150