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141. What is knee jerk is calling opposition to TPP

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:51 PM

Jun 2016

"isolationism." Please tell me which TPP opponent is arguing for isolationism?

The AFL-CIO? http://www.aflcio.org/content/download/174701/4156463/LAC+Report--Final+12-2-15+As+Adopted.pdf
The Sierra Club: http://www.sierraclub.org/trade/trans-pacific-partnership
Public Citizen: http://www.citizen.org/more-about-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement

Or is this just unsubstantiated rhetoric that you are repeating because the President said it and you think it sounds informed?

Your name-calling is not informed. We are not arguing for "isolation." If we were, why would the AFL-CIO testify ON BEHALF OF a ten year extension of the AGOA program, which provides one-way tariff preferences to developing countries of Africa? AGOA brings more duty-free imports to the US without requiring Africans countries to lower their tariffs on US exports to them.

http://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/042315_Feingold_Testimony.pdf

Why would the AFL-CIO work with Colombian trade unionists to defend their rights is labor unions were isolationist?

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/16/reuters-america-update-1-colombia-not-enforcing-us-trade-deal-labor-standards-unions.html

This is the opposite of isolation, but keep calling names and feeling superior. That helps build dialogue and understanding. NOT.

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Democrats Reject Platform Proposal Opposing Trade Deal [View all] Purveyor Jun 2016 OP

NAFTA didn't do enough damage. chapdrum Jun 2016 #1

It's the DLC moneyed interests vs the power of the people and the progressive wing...again bjobotts Jun 2016 #15

.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #41

Some people just honestly disagree with you creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #55

What are you supporting? Human101948 Jun 2016 #77

Those are part of the price that we pay. creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #81

And what is the price and for what is it paid? libdem4life Jun 2016 #106

OK creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #111

Thank you for the time and thought put into a difficult subject. libdem4life Jun 2016 #117

Thank you creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #118

... libdem4life Jun 2016 #119

You're hilarious with your planned obsolence. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #120

Some counters and links creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #121

'walmart has rules' OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #125

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I work at Walmart creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #131

I worked at WalMart in a west Virginia! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #134

Your argument fails to factor in OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #135

I disagree that Walmart causes food stamps creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #138

I never said Wal-Mart causes food stamps. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #139

If Walmart doesn't cause food stamps creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #142

Global democracy Blackjackdavey Jun 2016 #143

Workers do not become empowered by working in sweatshops though OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #144

I agree with you Blackjackdavey Jun 2016 #145

Yes, and that is what we are doing. OrwellwasRight Jul 2016 #153

Thank you so much GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #154

Which does not mean OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #151

So now, when I post on DU the FACT that the Democrats phazed0 Jun 2016 #2

Why would that be hidden. Polls all show more support for TPP from the Democratic base than pampango Jun 2016 #4

Try making a post that deals negatively/Corporatist charges against the Nominee.. phazed0 Jun 2016 #5

I misunderstood. pampango Jun 2016 #8

No, you understood correctly. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #14

well not all democrats, hollysmom Jun 2016 #52

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #6

Not including it in the platform is not the same as "all Democrats are for it". TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13

I know of no democrat who is for the TPP except the DLC members and Obama. bjobotts Jun 2016 #16

Hillary refers to it as "The Gold Standard" and has advocated heavily for it. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #17

Yes, I know. nt Duval Jun 2016 #46

Thank you. k/r 840high Jun 2016 #42

When we first got wind of... ReRe Jun 2016 #79

Ron Wyden, for one Recursion Jun 2016 #112

Clearly many democrats on DU are. This is the third posting a few days! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #127

I think if we've learned anything this cycle, it's that this is not a progressive party. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #101

I wonder how many democrats currently in office... davidthegnome Jun 2016 #3

I'd wager most awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #26

Obama and Republicans Agree on the Trans-Pacific Partnership � Unfortunately think Jun 2016 #57

This article is a year out of date. okasha Jun 2016 #60

The Republicans are supportive of the TPP and always have been. That's what is important think Jun 2016 #67

The article misrepresents the current situation okasha Jun 2016 #82

The claim above was that the GOP was against the TPP and that's NEVER been true. think Jun 2016 #84

The original out-of-date article okasha Jun 2016 #85

The TPP was CREATED in secret. Was it not? It still sucks and the Pukes are still all in favor of it think Jun 2016 #87

Most governmental documents remain confidential until completed. okasha Jun 2016 #88

The unions were shut out and made their complaints known. You choose to ignore that fact think Jun 2016 #89

Ta. okasha Jun 2016 #90

Exactly ! +10! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #93

Oh please, this is a serious discussion of American jobs. libdem4life Jun 2016 #107

Oh, please, okasha Jun 2016 #108

I see little offered towards that effect. libdem4life Jun 2016 #109

It's called reductio ad absurdum. okasha Jun 2016 #110

republican politicians, (except Trump) yes. republican voters are against it more than Democratic pampango Jun 2016 #123

Trade is vital to our economy. Isolationism is not an option Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #7

A Secret Trade Deal tom_kelly Jun 2016 #19

FYI, here is the full text...,.. reACTIONary Jun 2016 #97

Nonsense.All other countries have protectionist trade policies but this one.Are you a troll? bjobotts Jun 2016 #21

this bill only protects corporations, real people be damned. hollysmom Jun 2016 #53

Herecis the full text of the so called.... reACTIONary Jun 2016 #96

Total isolationism is not good... ReRe Jun 2016 #58

I think we all agree: trade is good, it just needs to have protections Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #75

+100 !! X 2 reACTIONary Jun 2016 #95

Let me give you a prime example of trade------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #100

This is exactly why, if we do not create parameters, we lose. n/t Evergreen Emerald Jun 2016 #103

We have already lost, we are told that we have protections in every "trade deal"------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #136

Fucking awesome answer. Heavy understanding of cutthroat capitalism and how we get ancianita Jun 2016 #133

All we have to do is look under the blanket and see what is happening around ------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #137

Keep talking! I'm listening and so are hundreds of others! ancianita Jun 2016 #140

Agreed turbinetree Jun 2016 #152

+100 !! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #94

What is knee jerk is calling opposition to TPP OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #141

The real question about TPP ... Trajan Jun 2016 #9

Could they know something we don't? nt babylonsister Jun 2016 #11

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #22

Please do not accuse and broadbrush sheshe2 Jun 2016 #32

Then what why else would they be supporting an unpopular trade deal that hands over sovereignty to w4rma Jun 2016 #35

Do what you want. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #37

I don't support turning over sovereignty creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #56

+100 !! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #98

How to line their pockets without appearing corrupt? nt That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #63

"What has happened to the party of FDR?" FDR originated the multi-country trade organization but pampango Jun 2016 #12

Trade agreements aren't inherently bad Trajan Jun 2016 #20

Well said. There are good trade agreements and bad ones, just like there are good climate agreements pampango Jun 2016 #24

. . . Trajan Jun 2016 #27

Bad for who? Not the corporate overlords. The rest of us don't count. Akicita Jun 2016 #91

Because voting for it awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #28

They've been... ReRe Jun 2016 #59

They disagree with you about the impact of trade Recursion Jun 2016 #113

Sad. Wish the proposal had passed. sinkingfeeling Jun 2016 #10

Maybe this new Dem Party can change their name... TheProgressive Jun 2016 #18

Like the DLC's Money Party bjobotts Jun 2016 #23

Why can't you wait to see the entire platform before reverting to that label used in the primaries? Firebrand Gary Jun 2016 #36

well this was part of the primaries where BOTH candidates were agains the TPP if you don't remember. hollysmom Jun 2016 #54

+1 CharlotteVale Jun 2016 #40

FDR invented the multi-country trade agreement (ITO). republicans defeated it. JFK - Trade Expansion pampango Jun 2016 #124

Is this the latest from the Third Way Democrats? TheProgressive Jun 2016 #129

TPP is more like the concept of the ITO - a multi-country trade agreement with pampango Jun 2016 #132

This is beginning to sound like a club I don't want to belong to anymore. Sienna86 Jun 2016 #25

um...that happened? nashville_brook Jun 2016 #29

Another step to the right. rickford66 Jun 2016 #30

Number 2 swhisper1 Jun 2016 #31

They have vested interests in the TPP. ananda Jun 2016 #33

Sanders and Clinton have both come out against the TPP, which disappoints me Recursion Jun 2016 #115

OK, so in order to avoid electing a psycho-ignoramus as President, I have to VOTE FOR TPP? nikto Jun 2016 #34

President's party doesn't pick fight with him, real shocking. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #38

lol, no kidding TwilightZone Jun 2016 #49

This could be the gold standard of Democratic platforms. hay rick Jun 2016 #39

Ah yes... 840high Jun 2016 #44

yes, this stance is sure to defeat a bigmouth populist a few months after a surprise Brexit! MisterP Jun 2016 #43

There's legitimate disagreement over this. cheapdate Jun 2016 #45

Well, I'm right there with you, cheapdate. Duval Jun 2016 #48

Thanks! cheapdate Jun 2016 #50

Nicely summed-up ------ Me, too! nikto Jun 2016 #65

Corporate democrats for sure 4dsc Jun 2016 #47

Trump will be making some hay over this one. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #51

Good Move Not To Adopt Knee Jerk Anti-Trade Platform TomCADem Jun 2016 #61

What trade deals have we had that protected workers and the environment? That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #64

NAFTA, CAFTA, all of them since 1994 really Recursion Jun 2016 #114

They've been shit for the environment, and don't stop abuse including murder of labor organizers That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #122

Nice Spin rpannier Jun 2016 #68

Concerned about TPP ISDS process and government Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #62

Great info. Thanks!! nikto Jun 2016 #66

Will depend what SCOTUS rules. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #92

in light of brexit the tpp smells somewhat like the eu....and lord know we just saw how that worked dembotoz Jun 2016 #69

Right. Some need to buy a clue... eom Purveyor Jun 2016 #78

I'll give you a quarter...nt. freebrew Jun 2016 #86

For democrats in Congress supporting TPP... Bohemianwriter Jun 2016 #70

Ron Wyden is representing his constituents by supporting it Recursion Jun 2016 #116

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Do you have a pol what shows the majority of the Democratic VOTER.... Bohemianwriter Jun 2016 #148

Why did you mention China? Do do you think China has something to do with NAFTA? Recursion Jun 2016 #149

We favor our workers, but there's a limit! dmosh42 Jun 2016 #71

Workers don't pay big bucks to listen to speeches. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #72

There ya go! dmosh42 Jun 2016 #73

We favor foreign workers for sure. Not so sure anymore about our workers. Akicita Jun 2016 #99

READY FOR HILLARY!!!!! Indepatriot Jun 2016 #74

To do what, exactly...? n/t Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #102

Some are for it, some against it. The platform now says that. What's the problem? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #76

This is one more platform item that both candidates agreed on, right? floriduck Jun 2016 #80

what a letdown IgelJames4 Jun 2016 #83

Good. It would be a stupid move. Hoyt Jun 2016 #104

Shit. Owl Jun 2016 #105

TPP and ISDS process and Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #128

that's the DNC for you 4dsc Jun 2016 #150