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Ken Burch

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4. That was thirty years ago.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jun 2016

The problem was that the right-wing of Labour sabotaged Foot(some departed and formed the totally unneeded "Social Democratic Party", knowing when they did that all they could ever do was guarantee a Tory landslide...an SDP-Liberal government was never going to happen, no matter what, some stayed in side and all they could internally to undermine him).

The message of the Eighties is not that Labour must always treat socialists as the enemy.

It's that the party needs to use media(including social media)well, needs to communicate its message coherently and concisely, and needs unity.

Labour has nothing to gain by putting the cynical, dismissive "professional politicians" back in charge...the people whose message to the electorate is "we hate activists and principles and we accept the idea that politics is about nothing at all but gaining power"-and who assume that the only way to gain power is to be as close to the Tories on the issues as possible.

Most of the people who are involved in this coup were demanding, before Corbyn won the leadership, that Labour support the Tory benefits cap and the Tory budget charter. Most of them were unalterably opposed to any reintroduction of internal democracy(they LIKED the fact that ordinary paid-up Labour members had no say in what the party's policies were and that the party conference was a bland, powerless, passion-free zone). What could possibly be improved by putting the people who lost the last two elections back in charge and telling the tens of thousands of good, idealistic people Corbyn has drawn to the party that they aren't welcome and should either shut up or go away? There is no huge block of voters waiting for the party to do that.

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And the fight to strip Labour of principles and bar the reintroduction of internal democracy goes on Ken Burch Jun 2016 #1
The problem is going the Corbyn route makes them unelectable. I remember the wilderness years of OnDoutside Jun 2016 #2
That was thirty years ago. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #4
Labour is currently using the media very badly or not at all T_i_B Jul 2016 #15
Then why haven't they said they won't try to stop the restoration of internal democracy? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #17
Er, I hate to break the news to you... T_i_B Jul 2016 #18
It's the anti-Corbynites who made it harder to become Labour members and supporters. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #19
It's the people you despise who've actually opposed those rule changes T_i_B Jul 2016 #20
It's the anti-Corbynites who stopped the branch meetings, not the Corbynites. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #21
So wanking over Corbyn takes precedence over all other branch considerations? T_i_B Jul 2016 #22
I don't want it to be anyone's cult. Corbyn is just one man. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #23
That is the way Momentum (and Corbyn) are heading T_i_B Jul 2016 #24
I outlined a way the anti-Corbynites could take this out of "left v. right" framing Ken Burch Jul 2016 #25
Regardless, Corbyn should be long gone Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #10
leaders who don't lead are not leaders nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
Leaders who don't have strong convictions are not leaders. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #12
Corbyn is in hot water becaues he didn't put much effort into stopping the xenophobic Brexit crowd. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #13
Replacing him with someone who supports the benefits cap, the budget charter, bombing Syria Ken Burch Jun 2016 #14
Don't know much about her but Corbyn should step down. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #3
If Corbyn does step down, they'll change the rules to block any left-wing candidate from standing. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #5
How would they stop a candidate from the left from standing? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #6
They will increase the number of nominations a leadership candidate has from Labour MPs. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
I think 35 is a reasonable number and should not be changed. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #8
Thank you. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #9
Angela Eagle? T_i_B Jul 2016 #16
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