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8. so I am of two minds about it

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:37 PM

Jul 2016

I recognize that we do not want to leave our workers at a disadvantage with uncontrolled free trade, but it is also evident that protectionism does not work either. We found out the hard way in the 19th century. I was looking that up and found this very interesting quote from Ulysse Grant. Amazing that he was such a visionary:

For centuries England has relied on protection, has carried it to extremes and has obtained satisfactory results from it. There is no doubt that it is to this system that it owes its present strength. After two centuries, England has found it convenient to adopt free trade because it thinks that protection can no longer offer it anything. Very well then, Gentlemen, my knowledge of our country leads me to believe that within 200 years, when America has gotten out of protection all that it can offer, it too will adopt free trade.

Some more interesting perspective on it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism_in_the_United_States

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Here Is The Draft Of The 2016 Democratic Platform [View all] brooklynite Jul 2016 OP

very good so far. Seems to be a nice compromise drray23 Jul 2016 #1

and indeed the $15.00 is in drray23 Jul 2016 #2

It is a promising start. n/t Jester Messiah Jul 2016 #5

Sounds good. DCBob Jul 2016 #3

. BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #14

Whathehey.. go for it.. DCBob Jul 2016 #21

It is not good enoough for me and I hope it is not good enough for Bernie. pangaia Jul 2016 #22

TPP still worrisome IMO. nt phazed0 Jul 2016 #4

so I am of two minds about it drray23 Jul 2016 #8

Declining to enter into a trade agreement sulphurdunn Jul 2016 #17

These aren't really trade deals... modestybl Jul 2016 #18

Thanks~ sheshe2 Jul 2016 #6

Here's a portion of progressive ideas left OUT of the compromise platform (so far)... FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #7

thanks so much for providing this. ciaobaby Jul 2016 #9

In fairness that is your opinion and a minority of the party. Clearly a majority believe otherwise, OnDoutside Jul 2016 #16

Stop taking the platform so seriously Gman Jul 2016 #15

This is a weak platform. I'm losing faith that the Democrats are a progressive party. If Kaine is Vote2016 Jul 2016 #29

Thanks Brook for the information, this is results of negotiations. Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #10

Haven't you heard? It's the most progressive platform ever! Android3.14 Jul 2016 #11

Yup. sangfroid Jul 2016 #12

Trump will go ballistic at the Union section OnDoutside Jul 2016 #13

another article: 'Democratic Party Endorses Abolishing The Death Penalty' Raine1967 Jul 2016 #19

"Democrat believe so-called 'right to work' laws are wrong for workers and wrong for America." mia Jul 2016 #20

No stopping of fracking, no single payer health care which is better and cheaper than the ACA Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #23

Eisenhower era Republicans would have rejected this as insufficienly progressive. What happened to Vote2016 Jul 2016 #30

Sorry but including the TPP won't win my vote 4dsc Jul 2016 #24

Good thing Donald Trump is a big TPP opponent...right? brooklynite Jul 2016 #25

Trump is NOT the only other candidate running askeptic Jul 2016 #32

Trump is the only other candidate with a chance of winning brooklynite Jul 2016 #34

We'd hope it comes close to the republican platform when Eisenhower was running. brewens Jul 2016 #26

yep SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #27

It's heartbreaking. The idea that this platform reflects my values is farcical. It is as if the Vote2016 Jul 2016 #31

Didn't quite say "Legalize It" but came close cannabis_flower Jul 2016 #28

very disappointing askeptic Jul 2016 #33

Have the poutrage merchants read the 2012 version they presumably voted for? whatthehey Jul 2016 #35