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PatrickforO

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19. I didn't get that from the OP. There is a steadfast group of
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jul 2016

(I guess you could call them) war mongers in State. These tend to be high level bureaucrats that can't really be touched by cabinet secretaries. No SoS can get rid of them. The best we can do is formulate policies that don't get us into world conflagrations.

You must remember that the liberals, the socialist New Dealers, in State were purged viciously during the Red Scare days, and the survivors of those purges tended to be conservative interventionists. For instance, George Kennan developed the policy on 'containment,' which went hand in hand with the so-called domino theory, and look where that got us.

People age, and after the cold war was over, the old professional diplomats and operatives left and were replaced with a new breed of neocon hawk, the likes of Elliot Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, Robert McFarlane, and Robert Kagan.

What people need to realize is these people are ENTRENCHED at State and in other cabinet departments.

So I think we can safely say that the OP really doesn't blame Clinton, even indirectly. Bill maybe, but not Hillary. I mean, I'm not real thrilled with Clinton as our nominee, but let's be fair. She's not at fault for every warmongering thing State does. And, notice how this NATO general did NOT get his way...

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Comments are not allowed in sheshe2 Jul 2016 #1
I believe uawchild is mostly referring to Vicky Nuland (Mrs. Robert "PNAC" Kagan). forest444 Jul 2016 #4
I'm confused. How does this smear Hillary? She's not even referred to in the OP. floriduck Jul 2016 #6
Aaaah. Cute they edited. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #9
If it was due to "warmongers in the State Department", that puts a lot of people in play. floriduck Jul 2016 #10
Since the reference sheshe2 Jul 2016 #13
umm uawchild Jul 2016 #15
And reposted the same comment down thread as you suggested. uawchild Jul 2016 #12
Thank you about comment section, it's removed in op uawchild Jul 2016 #8
Good. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #14
I didn't get that from the OP. There is a steadfast group of PatrickforO Jul 2016 #19
Sorely missed is correct benld74 Jul 2016 #2
Neocon trolls in 4,3,2,1... forest444 Jul 2016 #3
THIS uawchild Jul 2016 #5
Hear, hear. forest444 Jul 2016 #7
Yeah I remember McCain singing that - bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran... PatrickforO Jul 2016 #20
I can still hear his breathing through his teeth as he said it. Rethugs are regular Greg Stillsons. forest444 Jul 2016 #21
duplicate thread of muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #11
I'm very happy to read President Obama is ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #16
I am too. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #17
Obama never purged the "Loyal Bushies". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #18
I am sorry, LOCKING as a duplicate thread (prohibited in LBN) etherealtruth Jul 2016 #22
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