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42. The customer claims he feared for his arriving wife.

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:37 PM

Jul 2016

It isn't all that uncommon for someone arriving on the scene to startle an violent felon and result in violence even violence not premeditated.

If that story checks out he had a reasonable right to use force. If it turns out he was lying about that then yes it changes the situation and he might be facing charges in most states. However Texas is a weird state. It is one of the few states where you can kill someone over property crimes so honestly I doubt he is getting convicted in Texas regardless.

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Man who tried to rob Waffle House with an AK-47 is shot by customer [View all] hack89 Jul 2016 OP

Good job to the citizen. Statistical Jul 2016 #1

Prisons are full of stupid people. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #4

Graveyards even fuller with stupid people. The shooter risked death & is likely going to prison. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #120

Hard to imagine him being charged. hack89 Jul 2016 #123

Easy to imagine him being charged. You keep acting like a law expert but you don't post Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #130

It's Texas, 406-Boz Jul 2016 #147

THIS. n/t uawchild Jul 2016 #149

It's Texas. The chances of him getting charged are roughly zero. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #157

probably didn't happen quite like the guy claimed, but makes good propaganda for open carry olddad56 Jul 2016 #77

Nothing indicates that the civilian was open carrying. Statistical Jul 2016 #81

Oh goody! More guns for everyone! AllyCat Jul 2016 #2

A nice ending for a change yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #23

And the gun nuts will point to it and say camelfan Jul 2016 #163

Well, that's one (nt) LuckyTheDog Jul 2016 #3

I agree, ... aggiesal Jul 2016 #29

Wonder if it's the same guy who was chased off by a 70 year old veteran csziggy Jul 2016 #5

NOT a cool-headed response. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #6

Thank you. That's the correct response. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2016 #9

My thought exactly lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #10

Thread Winner! COLGATE4 Jul 2016 #11

100% agreement. n/t SpankMe Jul 2016 #14

Excellent, common sense response to this attempt guillaumeb Jul 2016 #56

Now he is liable for shooting the guy, just imagine if the customers wife had shown up right then? Rex Jul 2016 #65

I agree rockfordfile Jul 2016 #76

Exactly. What's wrong with moonscape Jul 2016 #160

Oh great, are we now going back to the "Wild Wild West"? George II Jul 2016 #7

Hollywood's version any way.... ManiacJoe Jul 2016 #31

"Man who terrorizes and robs several with easily available AK-47 is luckily shot... villager Jul 2016 #8

Is "Cool headed response" a joke? nt greyl Jul 2016 #12

Or a lure. Can't decide which is a more apt description. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #13

Is lure describing your OP comment, or the shooter's tactic? nt greyl Jul 2016 #71

The OP. They love all this negative attention. Rex Jul 2016 #72

The comment hack89 Jul 2016 #100

Catch 22... sarisataka Jul 2016 #15

Indeed. If he were an off-duty cop Blandocyte Jul 2016 #20

That guy must really love waffle fries. Arkana Jul 2016 #16

They are to die for! nt hack89 Jul 2016 #17

Cool headed response? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #18

ok. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #19

I think cool headed is avoiding conflict. The shooter sought a conflict. Still a good shoot, Skeeter Barnes Jul 2016 #21

Lulz of course you like this article. Rex Jul 2016 #22

I am enjoying the responses even more. hack89 Jul 2016 #25

Right this is what you wanted... Rex Jul 2016 #27

Your personal disapproval is not really too upsetting hack89 Jul 2016 #30

Yes your one and only issue is guns, we all know. Rex Jul 2016 #32

He won't be charged and you know it hack89 Jul 2016 #36

Wrong he was no longer in danger, I understand if you cannot comprehend what I am saying to you. Rex Jul 2016 #39

You can legally follow and confront criminals. hack89 Jul 2016 #45

So says the guy that shot him. Rex Jul 2016 #49

Not everyone believes violent criminals hack89 Jul 2016 #55

LOL Rex Jul 2016 #57

Lets bookmark this thread and see what happens. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #60

Yes let us do that. nt Rex Jul 2016 #62

The violent criminal is the one who fires the shots causing injury and near-death. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #91

No. Pointing an AK-47 at someone is definitely a criminal act hack89 Jul 2016 #103

Yeah, the AK-47 guy is criminal. The idjit who provoked the gunfight & shot is a violent criminal.nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #114

That poor guy with the AK-47! Everyone is picking on him. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #121

Repetition of your silly line in this thread doesn't make it stronger. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #155

Some do not see the forest for the trees. Rex Jul 2016 #107

Do you believe criminals sarisataka Jul 2016 #118

Yeah he stole some money and ran out of the building, then the customer shot him. Mistake #1. Rex Jul 2016 #129

I am seeing what is the baseline sarisataka Jul 2016 #137

People get sued all the time by their attackers. Rex Jul 2016 #140

Not at all sarisataka Jul 2016 #142

I agree with most of what you just said. Rex Jul 2016 #146

is synchronised knee jerking an Olympic sport? AntiBank Jul 2016 #94

More like art, especially here. nt hack89 Jul 2016 #105

I would think the customer could be charged for stalking Cooper ... Auggie Jul 2016 #24

Not if he thought his wife was in danger. hack89 Jul 2016 #26

He can think whatever he wants. He did not have to call to the guy. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #92

I live near Desoto. He'll be charged if the mood strikes the police/prosecutor. Ash_F Jul 2016 #93

Best reply yet imo. Rex Jul 2016 #111

I don't believe for a millisecond he is going to be charged in TX. LisaL Jul 2016 #144

Yep, he shot first so now he can face charges for attempted murder. Rex Jul 2016 #28

He won't be charged. hack89 Jul 2016 #33

Wrong he was in no danger and the perp already left the store, you really don't Rex Jul 2016 #35

Except following someone is not illegal hack89 Jul 2016 #40

He said she said. Rex Jul 2016 #43

In the real world outside of DU, armed robbers don't get the benefit of the doubt. hack89 Jul 2016 #50

Wrong, the court will decide who is at fault. Rex Jul 2016 #53

It won't even get before a grand jury. hack89 Jul 2016 #58

LOL. Keep dreaming. Rex Jul 2016 #61

You disagreeing with me deflates my sails? hack89 Jul 2016 #66

You sure do. Why do you invest such emotion in this forum? Rex Jul 2016 #68

He pursued an armed person fleeing a robbery after any personal threat had passed. bluedigger Jul 2016 #59

Show me the letter of the law. hack89 Jul 2016 #63

Shhhh...they are on their Batman high! Rex Jul 2016 #64

texas law on self defense melm00se Jul 2016 #124

How is being the aggressor in this situation self defense? Rex Jul 2016 #135

In TX, he has a right to use deadly force to defend property. LisaL Jul 2016 #127

Anybody's property, or his own. Plus, you can carry a confederate flag by law, but should you. Hoyt Jul 2016 #152

Following is not illegal. He could have left it at that. Provoking a violent gunfight is illegal. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #95

Even if there are no criminal charges, the shooter left himself liable for civil charges. procon Jul 2016 #86

Self defense does not require you ManiacJoe Jul 2016 #34

The customer was no longer in danger and followed the perp outside and shot him. Rex Jul 2016 #37

The customer claims he feared for his arriving wife. Statistical Jul 2016 #42

He said she said. Rex Jul 2016 #46

He is only liable in your mind. Statistical Jul 2016 #52

Yeah we shall see. Rex Jul 2016 #54

Isn't a cop just an indirect deployment of a firearm. Statistical Jul 2016 #38

Again he was no longer in danger and escalated the situation. Rex Jul 2016 #41

Well your right conceal carry permit holders are far less likely to shoot an unarmed person. Statistical Jul 2016 #44

Provoking the guy was what will land him in hot water. Rex Jul 2016 #47

Maybe you missed the fact that this happened in TX. LisaL Jul 2016 #99

I live in Texas and maybe he will be and maybe not. Rex Jul 2016 #101

Cops have a MANDATE to follow & confront criminals. Wanna-be 'heroes' do NOT. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #96

He didn't need a mandate. LisaL Jul 2016 #119

Yes, only in the sense that nobody needs a mandate to commit a crime and shoot somebody. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #125

It was not illegal to follow and confront the robber. hack89 Jul 2016 #67

Show us the law that agrees with your assessment, you won't be able to find it. Rex Jul 2016 #70

Good grief ... can you believe the responses here? Auggie Jul 2016 #82

We do have a lot of wannabe cowboys here in Texas, they dream of being the hero Rex Jul 2016 #84

At least immoral, but gunners don't care about that. Hoyt Jul 2016 #154

I knew it was Texas. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #48

It is pretty crazy here, our governor is the worlds biggest fuck up and loves guns!! Rex Jul 2016 #51

Tragic Angel Martin Jul 2016 #69

Yes, Violent vigilantes provoking gunfights are more than just "too bad". They are really stupid. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #97

Idiots with guns! procon Jul 2016 #73

After the Dallas shootings last week TeddyR Jul 2016 #74

See post #15 sarisataka Jul 2016 #79

So the customer shot a man fleeing the restaurant, every cowboy's dream. George Zimmerman Hoyt Jul 2016 #75

He wasn't fleeing when he was shot. He was pointing a rifle (a scary black rifle at that) Statistical Jul 2016 #80

That's what the cowboy said, as he was obviously trained. George Zimmerman did the same, Hoyt Jul 2016 #151

Urban cowboys and their guns. Rex Jul 2016 #85

Alternatively matt819 Jul 2016 #78

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^. NT angrychair Jul 2016 #87

That was my first thought, "so why not call the wife and tell her to stay away." Rex Jul 2016 #88

Maybe he didn't have a cell phone. LisaL Jul 2016 #104

Right, he has a firearm but not a cell phone. Rex Jul 2016 #109

That's immaterial Auggie Jul 2016 #115

+1 Auggie Jul 2016 #89

After the robbery was over he pulled a gun, called to the robber, and executed him. Bet his dick was CBGLuthier Jul 2016 #83

How hard sarisataka Jul 2016 #90

In TX, he is allowed to use deadly force to defend property. LisaL Jul 2016 #102

He wasn't defending anything, the perp had already left the building. Rex Jul 2016 #108

You must have missed the part of the article that says perp robbed several customers. LisaL Jul 2016 #116

Right and they were no longer in any danger, sadly the customer had to walk outside Rex Jul 2016 #122

Liable for what? LisaL Jul 2016 #128

Shooting someone, do you think you just can run around and shoot someone when you feel like it? Rex Jul 2016 #131

Did he run around and shot someone when he felt like it? LisaL Jul 2016 #133

Uh yes he did...he walked outside and shot the guy that robbed the place. Are you taking about Rex Jul 2016 #134

Shooting the guy who robbed the place isn't the same as running around shooting people because he LisaL Jul 2016 #143

But he did feel like it, he made a choice to escalate the situation into a gun fight. The customer. Rex Jul 2016 #148

... Crepuscular Jul 2016 #161

He had left the restaurant treestar Jul 2016 #98

Yet. But if you can't trust an AK-47 wielding criminal, who can you trust? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #110

We are supposed to trust the guy who provoked a gunfight and shot someone near to death? No. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #141

Guns make people stupid. Rex Jul 2016 #117

... Crepuscular Jul 2016 #162

Wouldn't it be ironic if the customer faced charges? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #106

That poor innocent guy with the AK-47. Everyone is picking on him! nt hack89 Jul 2016 #112

Just another loser that thinks AK's are fun toys. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #136

I agree sounds like a total loser. Rex Jul 2016 #138

In TX, this customer will face charges when pigs fly. LisaL Jul 2016 #113

Agreed. As I noted in another response, the concept of self-defense (and defense of property) is... TwilightZone Jul 2016 #158

Do any reporters know how to write logically? tblue37 Jul 2016 #126

Somebody on life support could recover. LisaL Jul 2016 #132

Yes, I know. My brother did. But the language is jarring coming as it tblue37 Jul 2016 #139

That will be one robber. Scattered, smothered, and covered. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2016 #145

Sounds like he "bushwhacked" him in the parking lot. Cryptoad Jul 2016 #150

because you like robbing Wafflehouses? Statistical Jul 2016 #153

Oh, Gawd Night Watchman Jul 2016 #156

Sounds like a perfect response to having a ak-47 pointed at you. GOLGO 13 Jul 2016 #159