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reorg

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Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:14 AM Jun 2012

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange 'buoyed by support' [View all]

Source: BBC News UK

... Five countries are now involved in a complex diplomatic saga but Mrs Assange said: "It's not complicated. It's a very simple issue.

"A legitimate, registered, multi award-winning media organisation and its editor have legally published the truth about the biggest superpower in the world and embarrassed them and exposed them for wrongdoing - war crimes, corruption and fraud.

"The case against him in Sweden coincided with the release of these documents and has no basis in fact, if you look at the evidence and the way the Swedish prosecution has run the case.

"The whole exercise has been set up to smear and silence the truth and those countries with their snouts in the trough with America have fallen into line. Ecuador, whose snout isn't in the trough, has not fallen into line." ...

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18577345



As far as I know, someone who is granted political asylum receives a passport and the same treatment as any national of that state.

Ecuador apparently does not extradite Ecuadorian nationals:

[div class="excerpt"]LEY DE EXTRADICION

...
Art. 4 - En ningún caso se concederá la extradición de un ecuatoriano, su
juzgamiento se sujetará a las leyes del Ecuador. ...

http://www.oas.org/juridico/mla/sp/ecu/sp_ecu-ext-law-leyext.pdf

There are other, strong protections in that law, such as unequivocally ruling out extradition to countries that don't offer guarantees against imposing the death penalty, torture and inhuman treatment. A life sentence without possibiliy of parole is widely considered inhuman, for instance, except in the US.

The Ecuadorian law also explicitly and unambiguously rules out extradition in political cases. Whereas such characterizations may be a matter of interpretation, anyway, the Swedish extradition law allows for the following exceptions:

[div class="excerpt"]Section 6
Extradition may not be granted for a political offence.
If the act also constitutes a non-political offence, extradition may be granted for that offence, provided, in the particular case, the act is predominantly of a non-political nature.
The first paragraph does not apply where rejection on this ground would be contrary to an international agreement applying between Sweden and the requesting state.

http://www.sweden.gov.se/download/77809ec6.pdf?major=1&minor=15435&cn=attachmentDuplicator_0_attachment
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K&R'd. snot Jun 2012 #1
Mrs Assange is correct clang1 Jun 2012 #2
I think this whole thing is about getting Assange to the US to face charges! teddy51 Jun 2012 #3
Confirmation that US & Sweden have been discussing extradition to the US since at least snot Jun 2012 #20
Yep. Assange stepped on the head of a snake clang1 Jun 2012 #50
Then go to Sweden and face it treestar Jun 2012 #4
You point fingers in the wrong places clang1 Jun 2012 #5
Then explain why Sweden ( a country with a progressive system if there ever was one) treestar Jun 2012 #8
Let someone else answer you, you present nothing new and seem to be asleep even. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #11
Treestar premise is: RobertEarl Jun 2012 #53
And how do you know Julian is in no danger? Is that sort of like Bradley Manning is in no danger? teddy51 Jun 2012 #12
Because the SCOTUS says he can't be charged. jeff47 Jun 2012 #15
Except that I wouldn't trust either SCOTUS or the US Government to keep there word. teddy51 Jun 2012 #18
Now if that isn't anti-US derangement syndrome, I don't know what is treestar Jun 2012 #23
Flag on the play. Adapted right wing meme. 10 yards. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #31
So it's also used for any one treestar Jun 2012 #36
It's still cribbing a stupid idea from Charles freakin' Krauthammer. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #39
Yep. Quite a piece of work there, eh? and in more ways than one. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #44
Let me explain to you what US derangement syndrome is clang1 Jun 2012 #46
There was no word granted jeff47 Jun 2012 #43
Yet our own Defense Secretary weighed in... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #62
Very good point. They expose themselves just as greedy salivating people usually do clang1 Jun 2012 #63
So your evidence is the Defense Secretary doesn't like the guy. jeff47 Jun 2012 #65
Assange was nabbed in the UK... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #66
All too many people are just plain drones that do not appear to think n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #69
Again, waiting for Sweden to act makes completely no sense. jeff47 Jun 2012 #70
There is no need to show "past difficulties"... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #72
So slap them blinders on? jeff47 Jun 2012 #73
You are wrong about "my entire argument"... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #74
you didn't look if you "have found 0 cases" reorg Jun 2012 #75
Pffft clang1 Jun 2012 #68
Apparently you don't believe eyewitnesses provide evidence. jeff47 Jun 2012 #71
Because in the US you get a trial treestar Jun 2012 #22
Not a fair trial perhaps, but a kangaroo court trial (just ask his lawyers). teddy51 Jun 2012 #27
We do not have "kangaroo courts" treestar Jun 2012 #29
How terribly, cruelly naive. Better hope nobody you care about --> daaron Jun 2012 #33
Good grief! treestar Jun 2012 #37
Makes no sense clang1 Jun 2012 #49
no, 95% of all cases are resolved through plea bargaining reorg Jun 2012 #41
Nonsense: The Supreme Court is our best example of a kangaroo court. Vidar Jun 2012 #60
BOLD FACED LIES clang1 Jun 2012 #48
The US is terrible and corrupt, that has been witnessed over and over again. Why should teddy51 Jun 2012 #6
Because if your theory was correct, the UK would have already extradited him to the US. jeff47 Jun 2012 #17
Uhhhhhhh Iggy Jun 2012 #13
No, you're merely saying Julian should get away with publishing our documents treestar Jun 2012 #25
Facts are facts - if they're embarrassing, so be it. nt daaron Jun 2012 #34
How has this "embarrassment" solved anything? treestar Jun 2012 #40
Even the russians are not 'embarrased' Medvedev: Wikileaks 'Positive,' 'Healthy' clang1 Jun 2012 #52
The problem is exceptionalism Iggy Jun 2012 #57
Why do you want to "embarrass America", Iggy? daaron Jun 2012 #58
No Effort from me Required Iggy Jun 2012 #64
What happened to "Mr. Transparency"? Iggy Jun 2012 #56
What has the US done to stop torture and rendition, treestar- take off the rose colored glasses larkrake Jun 2012 #67
If Assange engaged in actions "against the US"... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #61
buoyed by support as in buoyed up ? dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #7
Wow! OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #10
I.m.h.o., Wikileaks and Assange snot Jun 2012 #14
I'd believe in them if they leaked any other country's secrets jeff47 Jun 2012 #16
Pls read the post you replied to. snot Jun 2012 #19
All of that information came from US documents jeff47 Jun 2012 #42
Wikileaks got Icelandic banksters put in jail. EFerrari Jun 2012 #47
Very logical thinking, no? n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #24
The US runs the entire world, in the supporters' minds treestar Jun 2012 #28
Makes no sense n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #30
Vast majority of Wikileaks focus has always been non-US. daaron Jun 2012 #35
That is Wikileaks taking credit for all sorts of things treestar Jun 2012 #26
Read again. Those are simply observations of US officials et al. that were revealed by Wikileaks snot Jun 2012 #54
Should he try and get Fast and Furious documents to leak? joeglow3 Jun 2012 #32
Yes. I would as well were I an Investigative Journalist concerned with the law, clang1 Jun 2012 #38
thanks for providing this list reorg Jun 2012 #45
What Assange is clang1 Jun 2012 #21
Torture option still alive and well clang1 Jun 2012 #51
Fortunately, Wikileaks will endure regardless of Assange's fate. Robb Jun 2012 #55
Your post is quite bizarre clang1 Jun 2012 #59
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