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In reply to the discussion: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange 'buoyed by support' [View all]clang1
(884 posts)51. Torture option still alive and well
The excerpt of the EO that says no torture only mentions under Interrogation conditions. It does not rule out use of torture. Period. To say there is no torture option based upon this EO is absurd to me. In this case the United States is a torture state based upon what we already know and also very likely will be a torture state for Assange if he is sent here. PERIOD
RE: That the US has tortured many people in its custody is a fact. That the practice has ended is predicated on nothing more than an executive order which states:
Effective immediately, an individual in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government, or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States, in any armed conflict, shall not be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach, or any treatment related to interrogation, that is not authorized by and listed in Army Field Manual 2-22.3 (Manual). Interrogation techniques, approaches, and treatments described in the Manual shall be implemented strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations the Manual prescribes .
Do you think Julian Assange or Bradley Manning rise to the definition of "enemy combatants?" Do you? And, unless I'm mistaken, our rendition policy is still in place.
(thanks OP in other Assange thread)
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"There are other, strong protections in that law, such as unequivocally ruling out extradition to countries that don't offer guarantees against imposing the death penalty, torture and inhuman treatment. A life sentence without possibiliy of parole is widely considered inhuman, for instance, except in the US.
The Ecuadorian law also explicitly and unambiguously rules out extradition in political cases. Whereas such characterizations may be a matter of interpretation, anyway, the Swedish extradition law allows for the following exceptions:
Section 6
Extradition may not be granted for a political offence.
If the act also constitutes a non-political offence, extradition may be granted for that offence, provided, in the particular case, the act is predominantly of a non-political nature.
The first paragraph does not apply where rejection on this ground would be contrary to an international agreement applying between Sweden and the requesting state."
RE: That the US has tortured many people in its custody is a fact. That the practice has ended is predicated on nothing more than an executive order which states:
Effective immediately, an individual in the custody or under the effective control of an officer, employee, or other agent of the United States Government, or detained within a facility owned, operated, or controlled by a department or agency of the United States, in any armed conflict, shall not be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach, or any treatment related to interrogation, that is not authorized by and listed in Army Field Manual 2-22.3 (Manual). Interrogation techniques, approaches, and treatments described in the Manual shall be implemented strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations the Manual prescribes .
Do you think Julian Assange or Bradley Manning rise to the definition of "enemy combatants?" Do you? And, unless I'm mistaken, our rendition policy is still in place.
(thanks OP in other Assange thread)
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"There are other, strong protections in that law, such as unequivocally ruling out extradition to countries that don't offer guarantees against imposing the death penalty, torture and inhuman treatment. A life sentence without possibiliy of parole is widely considered inhuman, for instance, except in the US.
The Ecuadorian law also explicitly and unambiguously rules out extradition in political cases. Whereas such characterizations may be a matter of interpretation, anyway, the Swedish extradition law allows for the following exceptions:
Section 6
Extradition may not be granted for a political offence.
If the act also constitutes a non-political offence, extradition may be granted for that offence, provided, in the particular case, the act is predominantly of a non-political nature.
The first paragraph does not apply where rejection on this ground would be contrary to an international agreement applying between Sweden and the requesting state."
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Confirmation that US & Sweden have been discussing extradition to the US since at least
snot
Jun 2012
#20
Then explain why Sweden ( a country with a progressive system if there ever was one)
treestar
Jun 2012
#8
Let someone else answer you, you present nothing new and seem to be asleep even. n/t
clang1
Jun 2012
#11
And how do you know Julian is in no danger? Is that sort of like Bradley Manning is in no danger?
teddy51
Jun 2012
#12
Except that I wouldn't trust either SCOTUS or the US Government to keep there word.
teddy51
Jun 2012
#18
Very good point. They expose themselves just as greedy salivating people usually do
clang1
Jun 2012
#63
The US is terrible and corrupt, that has been witnessed over and over again. Why should
teddy51
Jun 2012
#6
Because if your theory was correct, the UK would have already extradited him to the US.
jeff47
Jun 2012
#17
Even the russians are not 'embarrased' Medvedev: Wikileaks 'Positive,' 'Healthy'
clang1
Jun 2012
#52
What has the US done to stop torture and rendition, treestar- take off the rose colored glasses
larkrake
Jun 2012
#67