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In reply to the discussion: Man reportedly stabs mother, 3 daughters over their attire [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)110. You better correct Wikipedia, they say otherwise as do other sources on Islam:
In nearly all Muslim cultures, young girls are not required to wear a ħijāb. There is not a single agreed age when a woman should begin wearing a ħijābbut in many Muslim cultures, puberty is the dividing line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Alternative_views
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Alternative_views
And on Islamic Sites:
For many, hijab is obligatory on every Muslim woman, and the definition of woman tends to be when a girl begins menstruating.
http://www.womanistmusings.com/should-children-wear-hijab/
http://www.womanistmusings.com/should-children-wear-hijab/
Question: At what age are Muslim girls expected to start wearing the hijab?
Answer: In Islam, all individuals become responsible and accountable for their behavior at the age of puberty. The Islamic teachings about modest dress apply to any person, male or female, at that time.
http://islam.about.com/od/dress/f/hijab_girls.htm
Answer: In Islam, all individuals become responsible and accountable for their behavior at the age of puberty. The Islamic teachings about modest dress apply to any person, male or female, at that time.
http://islam.about.com/od/dress/f/hijab_girls.htm
Islamic teachings on this subject are based on the Qur'an, and on the specific sayings/traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, known as the hadith. In one often-cited tradition, it is reported that a young woman visited Muhammad's wife Aisha while she was wearing see-through clothing. Muhammad averted his eyes and told her, "After a young woman reaches the age of puberty, nothing should be seen of her except this and this," motioning to his face and hands. Therefore, it is expected at this age for Muslim girls to adapt more modest styles of dress that do not expose too much
http://www.islamicfaq.info/Islamic_FAQ_Atheists_hijab.html
http://www.islamicfaq.info/Islamic_FAQ_Atheists_hijab.html
The main reason for this "Exception" is in almost all societies pre sewing machine (i.e. pre 1830) is was common for pre teen children to go around NAKED. Mark Twain points this out in "Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court".
"The small boys and girls were always naked; but nobody seemed to know it"
http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/digi038.pdf
As a person entered what we would call their elementary school years, they started to wear more and more clothes, but given the fact that they often worn them out, the tendency was for simple dresses even for young boys. On the US Frontier till the 1830s the most common garment for men to wear was a "Hunting Shirt" and leggings. The Hunting shirt extended to the top of the leggings, the leggings attached to the inside of the Hunting shirt, You did not see anything, but only the hunting shirt cover the ass.
Only with puberty did the rate of growth slow down for people to wear clothes long enough to wear them out, thus most people pre puberty wore little if any clothing pre sewing machine (and what was worn tended to be sack dresses).
Remember WOMEN had to HAND SEW these articles of clothing pre sewing machine, thus for most children the clothing that required the least amount of sewing was what they worn till they could sew they own clothing and that tended to be puberty.
The sewing machine is one of the greatest inventions in history, but it is down play for it mostly relived woman of house work, unlike more famous inventions that eased the toil of men. The Sewing machine permitted us to cloth those pre school children and to better cloth those children to young to sew their own clothes.
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Automatic assumption like you did is prejudice: pre-judging. Not cool on DU. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#26
Emotionally wired to make assumptions; intellectually wired to make reason rule the emotions. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#58
1. I don't make absolutist pre-judged statements. 2. I don't gamble.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#71
People named Mohamed were named by their parents. Their adult beliefs don't automatically follow. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#28
Of course I make an educated guess! But I don't blow it up into prejudgment like you & other poster.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#36
Educated guesses, consistent with avoiding absolutist prejudging, is definitely fact based. Further
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#38
Because non-Muslim males never act out in a violent manner in response to how women are dressed.
LanternWaste
Jul 2016
#31
Thinking for one's self is not the problem. Jumping to conclusions before facts are in & posting
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#86
The authorities in Europe have done their best to downplay motives for attacks in the recent past.
Ace Rothstein
Jul 2016
#20
Did you completely miss the Germans downplaying and attempt to hide the NYE attacks that took place?
Ace Rothstein
Jul 2016
#39
Too ignorant. Islam does not require violent extremism. Fundamentalism of all stripes does.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#61
OK, sorry, you were not clear as to whether you agreed or disagreed with them.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#74
Fair enough. But it can't be overstated that the religions in your list - to my knowledge
jonno99
Jul 2016
#48
Read my post again for comprehension without reading into it what I carefully did not write. . . .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#69
A correct guess is not bigotry, even when posted as an educated guess. Posters did not post that. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#84
Excellent clear-thinking fact-based non-prejudiced post. We need more such well-written posts. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#46
You better correct Wikipedia, they say otherwise as do other sources on Islam:
happyslug
Jul 2016
#110
this is only going to get worse. and, good heavens, was that article poorly written:
niyad
Jul 2016
#2
They lived, it would seem they are in better condition than the 8 year old, but unknown
FrodosPet
Jul 2016
#17
yes, I saw the information in the nypost article I posted. too bad the cbs one was
niyad
Jul 2016
#19
I'm happy to admit that. Problem is absolutist pre-judging before facts revealed, not educated guess
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#73
Oh whenever will the Western World confront the Church of Scientology?
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Jul 2016
#47
If these troglodytes don't like living in Europe, then they can get the hell out!!!!
Beacool
Jul 2016
#108