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Igel

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19. It's changed in one subgroup in the US.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:44 AM
Jul 2016

Unfortunately, for many that one subgroup gets to define words--it's either that, or the rest of the population gets called "racist" and accused of offending feelings.

And it's hard to see outside of that group if you're in it. McWhorter, a linguist, did precisely this mistake. He's black and confidently said that any use of "thug" that wasn't racist was obsolete, that at best a few old people might still use it that way. Sadly, a large portion of American society and most English speakers in the rest of the world don't use it that way. It's a "dog whistle," and if somebody says "thug" about a black kid that does something violent and wrong the first assumption is that it applies first and foremost to the kid's blackness. If that same person uses the word "thug" for 99 white kids, it's just not noticed, it's not perceived, so "all the information" says it's racist, because what people say about kids who don't interest us isn't interesting.

It works the same for police charged. Recently one poster in a thread asked when police would finally be charged for shooting an African-American. Took 5 seconds to google and come up with two examples from the previous two weeks, and those were just the first two links from the search. He hadn't noticed it because it suited him not to notice police being reprimanded, and since he didn't know about such charges being filed he felt confident that none had been. It's a vicious circle.

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Why yes LittleGirl Jul 2016 #1
Like a 15 year old girl who was an honors student exboyfil Jul 2016 #2
I can see someone not thinking "thug" has racial overtones. Beartracks Jul 2016 #3
Historically it does not Drahthaardogs Jul 2016 #17
It's changed in one subgroup in the US. Igel Jul 2016 #19
Interesting post. Beartracks Aug 2016 #25
Yes, your last paragraph is a great example of confirmation bias. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #32
Hell, I personally don't see "thug" as automatically having racial overtones. Sand Rat Expat Jul 2016 #18
A "thug" is not a 12 year old playing with a toy gun, not an unarmed teenager drinking an iced tea Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #4
Excellent comment. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2016 #6
Wish I had wrote this! keylargo Jul 2016 #8
PLEASE put this as O/P. raven mad Jul 2016 #22
"I had NO IDEA." I think what he means FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #5
THUGS is their public word Skittles Jul 2016 #7
But Urchin Jul 2016 #10
I can see you coming from a mile away Skittles Jul 2016 #11
You did nail it, by god. Absolutely repulsive beyond all reckoning. Judi Lynn Jul 2016 #13
Good response... Deuce Jul 2016 #15
Did you ever think Urchin Aug 2016 #34
Your rationalization is adorable! LanternWaste Aug 2016 #29
Yep, starts with an "n" and ends with "r". raven mad Jul 2016 #23
He was "describing" people who were not thugs & he called them thugs. Why would you excuse that? n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2016 #12
I think we already know why Skittles Jul 2016 #14
It's one "thing" to talk about "words" connotations. Igel Jul 2016 #20
"My African American Aquaintance..." lib87 Jul 2016 #9
At least he was one step better than Bill O'Reilly, who referred to his Chakab Jul 2016 #16
LOL! How come you're putting into words that I was thinking? raven mad Jul 2016 #24
Sure do! lib87 Aug 2016 #31
So, now he just called the victims of police violence ... surrealAmerican Jul 2016 #21
I am sure these mothers loved their children grubbs Aug 2016 #26
He sucks at lying. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #27
i live in a very white very red area and i can understand what he said...cultural thing dembotoz Aug 2016 #28
I have a difficult time believing anyone at this point in time, is unaware of its connotations... LanternWaste Aug 2016 #30
Only in America. Nihil Aug 2016 #35
Obligatory Bone Thugs N Harmony video FrodosPet Aug 2016 #33
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