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HereSince1628

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31. The proximate cause was a police shooting of a man fleeing a car
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 07:37 AM
Aug 2016

We are told he had in his possession a gun. WI is an open carry state so just being armed shouldn't be enough to get a person shot. We are told by authorities that the man was told to halt and drop the gun, and that he failed to comply.

Of course, in the current climate, we can't be sure if police will tell the truth or just circle their wagons.

We are told that the officer who shot the man was wearing a body camera, and it was turned on. The camera has reportedly been turned over to the WI State Police, so investigators will better know what happened. The public may see the video, with the probability being highest if the video corroborates their reports.

But what created the current climate, which arguably represents some the underlying causes?

Last week a handful of news sources reported results of national surveys that name Wisconsin, and Milwaukee in particular as the worst place in the United States to live if you are black. There are many socio-economic stressers involved and mentioned in those reports. And historically the crisis that represents for Milwaukee blacks has gone ignored... after all it is WI, and we are the home of Happy Days, and that WI show, Right? Life here is quaint, not problematic.

Wisconsin has one of the highest incarceration rates for black men in the nation. The elevated risks of black men being shot in WI has been reported as high as 30 times that of non-hispanic whites. That would be 3 times the usual elevated risk for blackmen across the US

And police misconduct that really critically matters to black lives happens here and usually goes ignored...

It went unnoticed to most of the US that in the week or two before the recent BLM protests about police shooting in MN and NO that a black man was shot in his car here in WI. His crime was he had fallen asleep in the car in the parking area of a public park. The community here protested, but no one really seemed to notice. Police got off

You may remember the shooting of Dontre Hamilton by Milwaukee police. Hamilton was an unarmed mentally ill black man whose offense was sleeping in downtown park and spoiling the view of a person in Starbucks across the street from the park. The first police on the scene dismissed Hamilton as a problem. A second call from the Starbucks location resulted in a second police response, and the rousting of Hamilton that somehow escalated to a level where police 'felt endangered' and so shot and killed him. Police got off.

And you may remember the death of an unarmed black Milwaukee man in custody...who suffocated to death from an asthma attack, which was complicated by a sickle-cell crisis due to low blood oxygen from the asthma attack. Video from the police cruisers camera showed him telling police he was in distress and 'couldn't breath'. His alarm went ignored by the officers in the car, because the police, like most police, don't believe that people who can talk are having respiratory trouble. Police got off.

Regarding the rioting that took place last night. Some of it may have been targeted to problem businesses in the neighborhood.

The gas station that burned to the ground last night may have been the one where the owner shot at black teens last month. I'm not too clear on the address of that shooting, but that shooting was mentioned by aldermen during press conferences that were attempting to quiet last night's unrest.




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Vibes that no one else gets hurt on either side. applegrove Aug 2016 #1
live police scanner feed rollin74 Aug 2016 #2
the best solution is one that we will likely never accept.... mike_c Aug 2016 #3
maybe that sounds grand in some unachievable utopia Angel Martin Aug 2016 #7
They need to accept that as a risk of the job FrodosPet Aug 2016 #41
Damn right. Angry people have a right to throw rocks and shoot at firefighters and cops. Akicita Aug 2016 #43
did you miss the ARMED SUSPECT part? Skittles Aug 2016 #11
This ^ Adsos Letter Aug 2016 #52
They'd never do it. christx30 Aug 2016 #18
Disarm the police in a country with 310 million guns. Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #39
Nothing I'd rather see, but you gotta disarm these gunners first. Hoyt Aug 2016 #53
This is the ONLY solution Abouttime Aug 2016 #70
What a bunch of idiots Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #4
They know the police have been oppressing them for generations. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #6
So - burn their own community down? Got it. nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #8
They didn't burn their community down. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #9
You ever roll your eyes so hard that you do a flip? TipTok Aug 2016 #24
Ragnar! DawgHouse Aug 2016 #46
All the time. lol nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #48
Do you live in this community? romanic Aug 2016 #26
No. I live in Montana. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #49
How are the crops this year? FrodosPet Aug 2016 #57
I don't know. lol nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #60
Figures. romanic Aug 2016 #68
Oh? Why is that? ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #69
There is an election going on right now Democat Aug 2016 #12
Those aren't mutually exclusive activities. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #15
I agree with you on this point Democat Aug 2016 #27
Yes, protest the shooting of an ARMED MAN by police. Brilliant. 7962 Aug 2016 #17
I think this is bigger than one incident. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #50
And the cop in this shooting is also black. 7962 Aug 2016 #58
There's another issue here, too. Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #64
happens here ALL the time nt 7962 Aug 2016 #67
Yep, I know. I've seen it plenty of times. NT Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #71
"Blue lives matter" does not at all mean "fuck black people." Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #63
All over the country, black people report harassment from police. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #66
And I'm sure we are going to here them complain about a lack of jobs Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #32
I'm sure that O'Reilly auto parts and the beauty shop... TipTok Aug 2016 #34
Who, in your mind, burned down the store? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #51
You mean the white folks that enslaved black people, or the white folk that keep racism alive? jtuck004 Aug 2016 #21
The police created this situation with their oppressive behavior ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #5
Did America deserve 9/11 too? Democat Aug 2016 #13
Nobody deserves anything. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #14
Why does it matter how many? TipTok Aug 2016 #25
Question: do your "violent idiots" include Euphoria Aug 2016 #29
In the history of policing? TipTok Aug 2016 #33
All the protestors are being maligned for the act. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #54
Too many. Akicita Aug 2016 #44
I can understand the outrage... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #10
" That said, no one should attack innocent people and destroy their property" < The police have jtuck004 Aug 2016 #22
That statement included the police. nt Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #28
No one cares whether anyone "understands" their outrage. Others do not have to live jtuck004 Aug 2016 #30
Link to BBC nitpicker Aug 2016 #16
Trashing their own neighborhood. Really smart. Quantess Aug 2016 #19
What always gets me romanic Aug 2016 #23
Were rioting over armed suspects now? romanic Aug 2016 #20
The proximate cause was a police shooting of a man fleeing a car HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #31
Thank you for clarifying Lulu KC Aug 2016 #38
The gas station you mention in the last paragraph is the same one n/t dragonlady Aug 2016 #42
We can't be sure the police are telling the truth so let's riot, shoot at ambulances, burn Akicita Aug 2016 #45
I'd say that's entirely your interpretation, my read on that is it qualifies as a strawman HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #55
Your information and intelligence are deeply helpful on this thread. Thanl you. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #61
Milwaukee officials call for calm after unrest over shooting riversedge Aug 2016 #35
I wonder who was behind the social media instructions for people to congregate in the area? Akicita Aug 2016 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #36
Mob mentality CRF450 Aug 2016 #37
"He was armed" angrychair Aug 2016 #40
2007 hit this area hard. i saw so many brooded homes on the block i grew up on in 2010. and still pansypoo53219 Aug 2016 #56
Such adult conversations over civil unrest. nt Rex Aug 2016 #59
Isn't it, though? Troll-heavy. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #62
You know... Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #65
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