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HereSince1628

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55. I'd say that's entirely your interpretation, my read on that is it qualifies as a strawman
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:07 PM
Aug 2016

It's pretty clear that this is really more about a triggering event that released emotions related to pent up frustrations, and a sense that lawful approach to myriad problems faced by Milwaukee's black community aren't working.

My personal feeling, about this, and I have thought a lot about this because I actually sleep about a mile and one-half from where last nights violence happened, is that this rioting is the social equivalent of the pychological phenomenon of self-harm.

There's no way to identify and lash out at what is an amorphous constellation of social players and circumstances that perpetuate, and deepen, discrimination and misery for Milwaukee's black population. In that state, lashing out at features of their own neighborhoods is one of the few doable anger releasing reactionas, and so it is done. IMO it's done as a displacement behavior because proper targets can't be identified or reached.

One could argue whether or not there is ever a proper target for civil violence. Certainly the memes of the day are about lawful behavior and the notion that civil violence is never legitimate. But, putting the high ideals of establishment supporting memes aside, I think history and human nature suggest expressions of social violence actually are the way things often get attention.

Attention is surely needed. The larger community of Milwaukee, it's suburbs, and Wisconsin in general, has done a pretty good job of ignoring what BLM is trying to communicate is an increasingly a desperate frustrating struggle to survive and experience fair social relationships within the framework of community structure and function.

Wisconsin didn't get rated as the Worst State and Milwaukee didn't get rated as the Worst major city for blacks to to live in without things being bent far outside of reasonable expectations.

There shouldn't be civil violence, but then Black people should be treated like their lives matter.

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Vibes that no one else gets hurt on either side. applegrove Aug 2016 #1
live police scanner feed rollin74 Aug 2016 #2
the best solution is one that we will likely never accept.... mike_c Aug 2016 #3
maybe that sounds grand in some unachievable utopia Angel Martin Aug 2016 #7
They need to accept that as a risk of the job FrodosPet Aug 2016 #41
Damn right. Angry people have a right to throw rocks and shoot at firefighters and cops. Akicita Aug 2016 #43
did you miss the ARMED SUSPECT part? Skittles Aug 2016 #11
This ^ Adsos Letter Aug 2016 #52
They'd never do it. christx30 Aug 2016 #18
Disarm the police in a country with 310 million guns. Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #39
Nothing I'd rather see, but you gotta disarm these gunners first. Hoyt Aug 2016 #53
This is the ONLY solution Abouttime Aug 2016 #70
What a bunch of idiots Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #4
They know the police have been oppressing them for generations. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #6
So - burn their own community down? Got it. nt jonno99 Aug 2016 #8
They didn't burn their community down. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #9
You ever roll your eyes so hard that you do a flip? TipTok Aug 2016 #24
Ragnar! DawgHouse Aug 2016 #46
All the time. lol nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #48
Do you live in this community? romanic Aug 2016 #26
No. I live in Montana. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #49
How are the crops this year? FrodosPet Aug 2016 #57
I don't know. lol nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #60
Figures. romanic Aug 2016 #68
Oh? Why is that? ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #69
There is an election going on right now Democat Aug 2016 #12
Those aren't mutually exclusive activities. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #15
I agree with you on this point Democat Aug 2016 #27
Yes, protest the shooting of an ARMED MAN by police. Brilliant. 7962 Aug 2016 #17
I think this is bigger than one incident. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #50
And the cop in this shooting is also black. 7962 Aug 2016 #58
There's another issue here, too. Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #64
happens here ALL the time nt 7962 Aug 2016 #67
Yep, I know. I've seen it plenty of times. NT Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #71
"Blue lives matter" does not at all mean "fuck black people." Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #63
All over the country, black people report harassment from police. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #66
And I'm sure we are going to here them complain about a lack of jobs Travis_0004 Aug 2016 #32
I'm sure that O'Reilly auto parts and the beauty shop... TipTok Aug 2016 #34
Who, in your mind, burned down the store? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #51
You mean the white folks that enslaved black people, or the white folk that keep racism alive? jtuck004 Aug 2016 #21
The police created this situation with their oppressive behavior ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #5
Did America deserve 9/11 too? Democat Aug 2016 #13
Nobody deserves anything. ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #14
Why does it matter how many? TipTok Aug 2016 #25
Question: do your "violent idiots" include Euphoria Aug 2016 #29
In the history of policing? TipTok Aug 2016 #33
All the protestors are being maligned for the act. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2016 #54
Too many. Akicita Aug 2016 #44
I can understand the outrage... Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #10
" That said, no one should attack innocent people and destroy their property" < The police have jtuck004 Aug 2016 #22
That statement included the police. nt Else You Are Mad Aug 2016 #28
No one cares whether anyone "understands" their outrage. Others do not have to live jtuck004 Aug 2016 #30
Link to BBC nitpicker Aug 2016 #16
Trashing their own neighborhood. Really smart. Quantess Aug 2016 #19
What always gets me romanic Aug 2016 #23
Were rioting over armed suspects now? romanic Aug 2016 #20
The proximate cause was a police shooting of a man fleeing a car HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #31
Thank you for clarifying Lulu KC Aug 2016 #38
The gas station you mention in the last paragraph is the same one n/t dragonlady Aug 2016 #42
We can't be sure the police are telling the truth so let's riot, shoot at ambulances, burn Akicita Aug 2016 #45
I'd say that's entirely your interpretation, my read on that is it qualifies as a strawman HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #55
Your information and intelligence are deeply helpful on this thread. Thanl you. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #61
Milwaukee officials call for calm after unrest over shooting riversedge Aug 2016 #35
I wonder who was behind the social media instructions for people to congregate in the area? Akicita Aug 2016 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #36
Mob mentality CRF450 Aug 2016 #37
"He was armed" angrychair Aug 2016 #40
2007 hit this area hard. i saw so many brooded homes on the block i grew up on in 2010. and still pansypoo53219 Aug 2016 #56
Such adult conversations over civil unrest. nt Rex Aug 2016 #59
Isn't it, though? Troll-heavy. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #62
You know... Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #65
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