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NanceGreggs

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79. And societies that mandate ...

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:05 PM

Aug 2016

... what a woman can or cannot wear at the beach are different from societies that don't respect other's beliefs and women's rights in what way?

If I am a woman subject to being fined for choosing to cover my body at the beach, how are my rights to do so being upheld? They're not - MY rights are being denied.

What you see as a "symbol that disrespects multiculturalism" should not infringe on MY right to dress as I choose.

Last I heard, France is not ruled by "self-appointed clergymen". So why are they mandating what a woman can wear or not wear? And why are women subject to being fined for their choice of dress when men are NOT?

Respect for multiculturalism is exactly that - respect. It is NOT respect that is contingent on people of different cultures abandoning their culture.

You keep avoiding the bleedin' obvious here, randome. Why are WOMEN being told what to wear, while MEN are not? Muslim men are often easily identifiable by their garb, their unshaven faces, their adherence to certain rituals representative of their religious beliefs. Why are THEY not subject to fines for THEIR open displays of religious freedom?

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Cannes burkini ban triggers outrage [View all] ucrdem Aug 2016 OP

Posted earlier. Thought it might get some 'attention.' elleng Aug 2016 #1

Thanks! just heard it in the car . . . ucrdem Aug 2016 #2

Telling women what to wear is monumentally wrong. katsy Aug 2016 #103

wow all those men wearing these will no doubt protest. oh wait.... nt msongs Aug 2016 #3

So a non-Muslim man is telling Muslim women what they can and can not wear? ck4829 Aug 2016 #4

The mayor can't do anything about not being Muslim. randome Aug 2016 #8

What is the oswaldactedalone Aug 2016 #5

Thosr burkinis are ugly and look uncomfortable. romanic Aug 2016 #6

If a White Nationalist group frequented beaches, might the same kind of ban apply? randome Aug 2016 #7

When did it become appropriate ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #31

But are they the garments of a religion? I doubt the Koran dictates swimwear. randome Aug 2016 #36

No, the Koran does not dictate swimwear. NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #57

I just think it's a very interesting conundrum. randome Aug 2016 #58

"I doubt that Cannes and surrounding villages ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #65

No, there's been a problem with repeated terrorist attacks in France. randome Aug 2016 #70

Of course. NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #71

It might reduce the odds, that's all. I doubt anyone thinks it's a cure-all. randome Aug 2016 #72

And mandating that all women wear burqas ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #77

It's a paradox that will persist in Western societies. randome Aug 2016 #87

France can do ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #120

France rejects multiculturalism. They have great pride in their French culture Arazi Aug 2016 #102

You do realize that your argument here okasha Aug 2016 #108

I can see that point of view. randome Aug 2016 #109

Deflection okasha Aug 2016 #111

What's the alternative? Armed guards along the beach? randome Aug 2016 #114

"No shirt, no shoes, no service' okasha Aug 2016 #115

Some are state and county laws. randome Aug 2016 #118

Thanks Nance! Jazzgirl Aug 2016 #56

I'd like to wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia. patsimp Aug 2016 #69

Well, first, they might allow women to drive. So...maybe in a few centuries. randome Aug 2016 #75

It breaks my heart to see Shariya Law imposed on a new generation of women Bucky Aug 2016 #9

"Sorry, no more cruxifix necklaces on the beach," said the police officer Coyotl Aug 2016 #10

Good. name not needed Aug 2016 #11

I see your good and raise you a great eissa Aug 2016 #23

Seems like a legal garment . Certainly nothing can be "hidden "and resembles a diving wet suit Person 2713 Aug 2016 #12

I think it's viewed as a promotion of religious ideology in a space that should be ideology-free. randome Aug 2016 #13

And who appointed YOU ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #81

The Mayor of Cannes was appointed to make those kind of decisions. randome Aug 2016 #85

It has nothing to do with "being American". NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #122

There's a very loose garment covering everthing. Not exactly something that PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #28

How does this help? PersonNumber503602 Aug 2016 #14

Are bikinis banned in Muslim countries? randome Aug 2016 #15

Only on public beaches... DetlefK Aug 2016 #101

So the precedent regarding public beaches is already accepted. randome Aug 2016 #106

Quick drying Rustyeye77 Aug 2016 #16

That is just dumb - as dumb as-- packman Aug 2016 #17

I'm a 'Live and Let Live' person Rustyeye77 Aug 2016 #18

brainwashing and cultural pressure will do the trick Skittles Aug 2016 #27

I, too, think it's dumb... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #21

As a water aerobics fan mahina Aug 2016 #25

That flowery design in front just makes me look at her boobs so yeah, not modest Arazi Aug 2016 #20

I am saying this as a boob man... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #22

It's probably there to break up her silhouette. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #33

Other than the hood and the tunic-y bit I'd be totally interested in one of those. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #32

I look at it the other way: FigTree Aug 2016 #19

When did "minding your own business" ever become forbidden? Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #24

The white wingers here are all giddy about this. Hoyt Aug 2016 #26

Great term, never heard it. White wingers. Tremendous. Judi Lynn Aug 2016 #35

I saw someone use it here months ago and thought it was perfect. Hoyt Aug 2016 #39

You think this springs up out of nowhere? randome Aug 2016 #40

Wearing a burqa ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #82

Rightly or wrongly, that's how people see it. randome Aug 2016 #86

I think you've made it clear ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #121

People (predominately women) with lupus marybourg Aug 2016 #29

True, the bikini came into style treestar Aug 2016 #47

Straight up racism and Islamophobia mwrguy Aug 2016 #30

Women don't owe anybody an unobstructed view of their t&a. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #34

Well said! mwrguy Aug 2016 #52

I think everybody is usually just interested in seeing belly buttons snooper2 Aug 2016 #99

This is really a sad situation, Lunabell Aug 2016 #37

The recent spate of terror attacks in europe Quantess Aug 2016 #38

Ya think ? Rustyeye77 Aug 2016 #42

Collective punishment treestar Aug 2016 #41

But they DO feel uncomfortable. The Mayor of Cannes can ignore that and hope everything is okay. randome Aug 2016 #43

I don't know why they would feel uncomfortable treestar Aug 2016 #44

Aren't Nazi symbols and promotion of Nazi-ism still banned in France? randome Aug 2016 #45

It also feeds into the Muslim feeling they are treestar Aug 2016 #46

I get what you're saying but if you were to visit a Muslim country... randome Aug 2016 #48

Corsica brawl: Four hurt in clashes on French beach MowCowWhoHow III Aug 2016 #49

And from a link within your link, a fuller explanation of Cannes. randome Aug 2016 #50

I have mixed feelings about this. David__77 Aug 2016 #51

OMG !!! Rustyeye77 Aug 2016 #88

I get how that could occur to you as that. David__77 Aug 2016 #100

I honestly don't think you could ever enforce such a law. But burkas do shame others. YOHABLO Aug 2016 #53

All religious clothing does. randome Aug 2016 #54

I don't get your hang-up ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #55

Religion should be a private matter. I, for one, don't care if someone wants to advertise. randome Aug 2016 #59

Mandating what women wear ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #62

Religion ALWAYS divides us, imo. randome Aug 2016 #68

Again we have your version of the world. NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #73

Anyone can believe what they want, no arguments from me. randome Aug 2016 #74

And societies that mandate ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #79

So France is now America's 51st state, is that how it is? randome Aug 2016 #84

Not at all. NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #123

Do you also "smirk" at a Native man with long hair? okasha Aug 2016 #112

I smirk at religion and public demonstrations of such. It's who I am. randome Aug 2016 #113

Strange. I know a number of atheists, okasha Aug 2016 #116

I do keep my nose out of other people's business. My opinion is unspoken. randome Aug 2016 #117

Why should others keep their religion out of public spaces? okasha Aug 2016 #119

Many Muslim countries dictate what you can and cannot wear in their countries. randome Aug 2016 #60

Yes, many Muslim countries ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #63

I don't see this as anti-Muslim. I see it as a way to avoid conflict. randome Aug 2016 #67

And what makes the burka different is that it not only is an extreme measure of Islam... randome Aug 2016 #61

I guess you've never met ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #64

Probably not. I am no expert on religion, that's certain. randome Aug 2016 #66

It was considered a "small restriction" ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #80

I think raging moderate has it right just below. randome Aug 2016 #83

No they didn't. They seem to think being French and Muslim are mutually exclusive... Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #89

You're taking this too far. This is not against Muslims. No one is forcing anyone to wear something. randome Aug 2016 #90

I don't think you read my post properly, so a few clarifications and a few more points... Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #91

The fine applies to full body swimwear, not just to a burkini. randome Aug 2016 #94

Wrong. From the OP... Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #96

So if the burkini is nothing but a fashion statement, the fashion can be changed, right? randome Aug 2016 #92

Who said it was nothing but a fashion statement? Who cares? Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #93

I don't care. I simply find the subject intensely fascinating. randome Aug 2016 #95

Sure. And something I forgot to mention about yr 'fashion statement' claim... Violet_Crumble Aug 2016 #97

But look at the vitriol this thread has 'inspired'. randome Aug 2016 #105

I have enjoyed the discussion as well! NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #124

My take on this: France gets to do this! US does not! raging moderate Aug 2016 #76

Your history is a tad weak zipplewrath Aug 2016 #104

The mayor is a Sarkozyite hoping to score points among the far right. forest444 Aug 2016 #78

Agree, stupid right wing political stunt. harun Aug 2016 #98

Don't they have a right to wear what they want? shireen Aug 2016 #107

It would seem so ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2016 #110