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woundedkarma

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125. huh what?

Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:48 PM

Aug 2016

I see a lot of comments from people who didn't bother to read the article.

Israel was declared brain dead.

The parents looked for a hospital that would take him in and help them care for him.

A hospital said yes, we'll take him in.

Then the hospital disconnected him and let him die.

As far as I can tell that's the chain of events.

From the article, the parents wanted to bring him home and take care of him at home.

Having seen what this does to people first hand, I don't recommend it. My brother went into cardiac arrest at the age of 20. 20 years later... my mother died taking care of him. My father is now dying of cancer having taken care of him for all that time. They never had money. They never left the house except to buy things like groceries. They gave up their lives in service. Now my sister has given up hers to take care of my brother and my father.

They are the most selfless people I will ever know.

These parents wanted to take home their baby and take care of him and they should have been allowed to do that. Instead, the hospital murdered their son.

Nothing will bring back their son but the hospital was wrong and should never be allowed to do such a thing again.

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Family Is �Devastated� After a Hospital Removes Their 2-Year-Old Son from Life Support Against Their [View all] NWCorona Aug 2016 OP

You do realize he was brain dead, or no? LisaL Aug 2016 #1

Yes I can read. NWCorona Aug 2016 #3

You clearly don't know the story. LisaL Aug 2016 #5

And how does that change the qoute I provided? NWCorona Aug 2016 #10

He was declared brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #17

Diagnosed in April, taken to other doctors for second opinions. Not heartless at all. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #55

They even went to Guatemala. Historic NY Aug 2016 #177

Exactly. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #179

What would be the explaination? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #102

Doesn't matter. The parents should decide PERIOD!!!!! yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #77

And sometimes it is kinder to remove the decision to Ilsa Aug 2016 #84

He was declared brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #86

I wasn't speaking to this case specifically. I was speaking in general terms. nt Ilsa Aug 2016 #89

Relatives of brain dead patients might be given a few days for final goodbyes. LisaL Aug 2016 #92

Actually, sometimes it can go on for a couple of weeks. Ilsa Aug 2016 #97

He was declared brain dead in US hospital. LisaL Aug 2016 #98

Hey, I get that. Ilsa Aug 2016 #101

I don't think his family would ever accept it. LisaL Aug 2016 #114

Yes they would have, but they were not allowed to grieve and accept their loss NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #117

How could they possibly ever accept it, if they don't believe that brain dead person is dead? LisaL Aug 2016 #123

No, the hospital started pushing to test and remove life support within 24 hours of transfer NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #128

There might have been a facility willing to take the baby and keep him on machines Blandocyte Aug 2016 #144

And brain dead patients will still remain brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #169

That was utterly, utterly scandalous. Diabolical. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #166

Very good points. yeoman6987 Aug 2016 #99

Kinder, schminder -- Who should have the right to "remove the decision" from the family? whathehell Aug 2016 #105

At some point the parents have to understand that the patient isn't Ilsa Aug 2016 #112

"Not everyone wants to make that life/death decision about a family member" whathehell Aug 2016 #137

Maybe someone else needed that equipment and all the man hours put into caring... TipTok Aug 2016 #147

The question was who had the legal right whathehell Aug 2016 #172

That questions seems to have been settled... TipTok Aug 2016 #174

Not with a lawsuit pending... whathehell Aug 2016 #176

Exactly. Hospitals have committees and procedures so the parents don't have to decide. lindysalsagal Aug 2016 #158

Medical resources aren't limitless, not even at big city hospitals Warpy Aug 2016 #91

Perhaps the medical equipment and resources used to keep the baby "alive" Unit 001 Aug 2016 #93

do you have any idea what is involved with keeping someone on life support? tymorial Aug 2016 #106

No the parents should not decide period. mostlyalurker Aug 2016 #118

There comes a point when all hope is gone that it makes more sense to let nature take it's course dflprincess Aug 2016 #119

Who's footing the bill? Lunabell Aug 2016 #135

Two words: Jahi McMath obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #141

We haven't heard anything about her now. Historic NY Aug 2016 #178

and who pays for it? Just keep a brain dead human on life support for decades? snooper2 Aug 2016 #146

Yes because parents are always correct right? titaniumsalute Aug 2016 #180

This is a difficult issue. Chemisse Aug 2016 #2

I'm all for having an SOP in these situations. NWCorona Aug 2016 #4

SOP is to turn these patients off, because in brain death is legal death in most states. LisaL Aug 2016 #6

?SOP? Standardization of Practices perhaps? n/t Chemisse Aug 2016 #8

standard operation procedures NWCorona Aug 2016 #12

Ahh. Thanks. Chemisse Aug 2016 #13

There is an SOP and it was followed in this case. yardwork Aug 2016 #57

A brain dead patient isn't alive. LisaL Aug 2016 #9

That's interesting to know. Chemisse Aug 2016 #11

He hasn't been kept alive. His organs were kept alive. LisaL Aug 2016 #20

'Legally dead ?' Is that your legal criterion ? You are confused. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #161

Brain dead = legally dead tammywammy Aug 2016 #162

That's called, 'begging the question'. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #164

So that explains skepticscott Aug 2016 #71

That accounts for Chris Christie then... OnDoutside Aug 2016 #78

NJ's governor is the sole exception. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2016 #116

It isn't just the cost of treatment. EL34x4 Aug 2016 #16

And costs are astronomical because due to brain being dead, it takes a lot of effort to keep the LisaL Aug 2016 #21

I work in healthcare, and there is a SOP for situations like this. BigDemVoter Aug 2016 #61

Nope, we shouldn't. There are an estimated 10,000 people living on life-support because once Hestia Aug 2016 #75

It was the right thing to do for many reasons (n/t) William Seger Aug 2016 #7

I agree but it seems like there was poor communications with the parents NWCorona Aug 2016 #14

He was declared brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #18

"... poor communications with the parents" left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #27

Exactly. It wasn't sudden. Child was diagnosed as brain dead in April. LisaL Aug 2016 #33

Consider the alternatives. Igel Aug 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #39

No, there wasn't. The parents simply could accept reality for what it was. cleanhippie Aug 2016 #56

There was extensive communication, over months, with the parents. yardwork Aug 2016 #59

As other posters have noted skepticscott Aug 2016 #72

There was good communication awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #100

From my personal experience hotrod0808 Aug 2016 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Aug 2016 #19

That is an awfully cold response PatSeg Aug 2016 #22

An awful lot of them have turned out to not be dead.Science does not Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #28

Israel didn't have half of his brain function. LisaL Aug 2016 #30

Rubbish ! The medical progfession have only taken a stab at defining the point of death. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #54

Well, all the doctors did is to turn off the ventilator. LisaL Aug 2016 #58

'Because the ventilator was the only thing keeping his organs alive.' Therefore, Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #159

His organs were alive, not him. LisaL Aug 2016 #170

I'm not sure what you mean by no difference mrs_p Aug 2016 #95

You should inform the scientists who post to Uncommondescent. I suspect Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #153

Delete this response. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #68

Thank you for sharing your own experience PatSeg Aug 2016 #23

Thank you. hotrod0808 Aug 2016 #26

You are so welcome PatSeg Aug 2016 #31

Nothing is worse than what you went through, and I extend my sympathies to you and your still_one Aug 2016 #48

I am sorry for your loss and your experience. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #67

I'm so sorry that you had to endure the loss of your child, especially without proper support renate Aug 2016 #152

Thank you all for your support hotrod0808 Aug 2016 #175

The poor child was brain dead. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #24

BLM Elmergantry Aug 2016 #25

Terri Schiavo was white. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #29

Schiavo wasn't even actually brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #32

And her husband was her next of kin TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #79

Everyone makes mistakes, and many spouses make bad choices. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #155

He never divorced her TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #168

You can see from the photo of her with that ecstatic expression and gesture that Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #156

"When people lose sight of God" tammywammy Aug 2016 #160

Do you beleive that the most sophisticated computer-software Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #163

which has absolutely nothing to do with this case ..... Lil Missy Aug 2016 #151

I suspect the staff rushed to disconnect because they knew how the parents would respond. Shrike47 Aug 2016 #34

He wasn't in that particular hospital for months. LisaL Aug 2016 #36

Quite possible...Unfortunately for them, it's not a legitimate reason for doing it. whathehell Aug 2016 #138

It already was decided in court. Hospital removed life support after going to court and getting LisaL Aug 2016 #171

It looks like that decision is being appealed.. whathehell Aug 2016 #173

The Terri Schiavo case left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #37

Schiavo was not brain dead. She was in persistent vegetative state. LisaL Aug 2016 #38

Read the autopsy left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #41

Her brain was damaged, but her brain stem was still functioning tammywammy Aug 2016 #43

Yep, she was in PVS, not brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #46

She had a brain that weighted half of expected-but she still had a brain. LisaL Aug 2016 #44

There was fluid where her brain was supposed to be. rocktivity Aug 2016 #47

Her life support was her feeding tube. LisaL Aug 2016 #49

Way to blow your case, counselor! rocktivity Aug 2016 #40

Hmm - Is it possible? left-of-center2012 Aug 2016 #42

There is a zero percent chance that he was getting better in Guatemala Stryst Aug 2016 #66

Kind of like the McMath situation in the denial of the obvious. n/t cloudbase Aug 2016 #45

Very sad situation when parents are unable to face the reality of brain death. mnhtnbb Aug 2016 #50

I find it suspicious and sad arithia Aug 2016 #51

What is their purpose in filing a lawsuit? jalan48 Aug 2016 #52

The purpose was to keep the life support in place even though there was zero chance of a recovery cstanleytech Aug 2016 #63

Thanks. jalan48 Aug 2016 #90

One of many reasons I never became a physician. cab67 Aug 2016 #53

The sensationalist title is deceptive, written to pluck heartstrings. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #60

sad Cryptoad Aug 2016 #62

Time chose to write a deceptive story rather than inform. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2016 #65

THIS--�I was on the phone with his mother when the doctors disconnected him"--IS THE AWFUL PART. No WinkyDink Aug 2016 #64

"Ma'am, it is time. We must disconnect your child from life support." Indydem Aug 2016 #69

Depending on the equipment involved it's a long process, and nurses suggest stepping out LeftyMom Aug 2016 #87

this entire thread is filled with so much supposition, opinion and straight out lies tymorial Aug 2016 #109

My mom spent two weeks on a ventilator in April, so this process is fresh in my mind. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #110

She could have held her son's hand as the machines were disconnected. Sand Rat Expat Aug 2016 #94

I wouldn't want to be kept alive by machines perdita9 Aug 2016 #70

The child was already dead, and this couldn't even be kept alive obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #142

This is beyond my understanding Boomer Aug 2016 #73

Reminds me of the situation with Jahi McMath brain death. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #74

She is in New Jersey. LisaL Aug 2016 #76

She's dead. She's been dead for years. Her body is in New Jersey. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #88

She was transported there from CA. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #104

I know that. I was responding to a poster who didn't know where she was at now. LisaL Aug 2016 #111

Yeah ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #103

Well, apparently there is one good reason: money. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #115

It would be a very tall order to prove that she is alive. LisaL Aug 2016 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #80

Asthma killed him, poor little guy. May his family find peace. Hekate Aug 2016 #81

Second thoughts: if they had the money to go to Guatemala, why was his asthma untreated here? Hekate Aug 2016 #82

I am pretty sure the money to go to Gutemala were collected after he was declared brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #85

I know the law. Duval Aug 2016 #83

I suspect they had used up all their 'bedside manner' moments with this couple. Chemisse Aug 2016 #96

I suspect that if the parents had money, they would have been shown more respect & consideration whathehell Aug 2016 #108

The very recommendation I was about to make. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2016 #167

The family was well aware of both the recommendations and the procedure tymorial Aug 2016 #107

Link to a story on this from the Washington Post back in May of this year. Adsos Letter Aug 2016 #113

Were they being scammed by the hospital in Guatemala? Bradical79 Aug 2016 #120

The boy was only put on life support on April 1st NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #121

There can not be either recovery or healing for someone who is brain dead. LisaL Aug 2016 #124

Perhaps you should tell that to Hanna Lottritz.... NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #129

None of tehm were brain dead -- brainv dead is dead obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #143

Yes, they were all deemed brain dead NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #148

No, none of them were obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #165

Dr. Paul Byrne is not a credible source. tammywammy Aug 2016 #127

I looked him up and he appears to be licensed NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #130

You should read up more on him tammywammy Aug 2016 #131

That is a blog, not anything official. NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #133

I said he's not credible tammywammy Aug 2016 #134

I'm sorry, but I will not discredit a licensed medical professional based on opinions and not facts NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #149

Sure you'll discredit licensed medical professionals CreekDog Aug 2016 #157

huh what? woundedkarma Aug 2016 #125

Did you bother to read the article? LisaL Aug 2016 #126

You really need to do more research on this case rather than look at that one article NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #132

"They performed the tests against her permission"? randome Aug 2016 #145

Since they withdrew permission to do the test NoGoodNamesLeft Aug 2016 #150

He died in April. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #136

+1000 Hekate Aug 2016 #154

Heartless? Seriously? The parents are delusional, it's Terri Schiavo all over again. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #139

Good -- we do not need a redux of poor Jahi McMath obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #140