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Igel

(37,251 posts)
21. It's always nice to try to change another's culture,
Sat Sep 10, 2016, 05:13 PM
Sep 2016

but it does miss the point.

Most gun-related deaths fall into just a few categories.

Those that are suicides.

Those that are accidents, committed not by owners with no training but by non-owners and from silly acts. (Sort of like most driving accidents happen with people who are trained and licensed, but do silly things.)

Those that are committed by people who have illegal guns and are doing illegal things on purpose.

None of those are "gun culture," and for a lot of the people in the third category, well, they're not whitebread NRA members.

As for not accepting the status quo, the problem with change is that most change is for the worse. There are far more worse scenarios than there are better ones, and once you start change you really can't predict how it's going to go. It's why CEO salaries are so high now--there were unacceptable CEO salaries, so regulations and rules were put in place to stop the practice. The ways found to get around the rules made it easier to inflate CEO salaries, and the limits on salaries became floors. So new regulations, new workarounds. We're on iteration 3 or 4 now. Please, let them stop before it gets even worse. Omniscience isn't really a thing.

BTW, "broken windows" is one of those things that's still argued against, mostly on ideological grounds. Given that social sciences typically aren't amenable to controlled experiments, when the correlation between broken-windows policing and the crime rate's cited, well, it's coincidence. Other things were at work and in play. So, really, all that's left is the original ridicule because, well, broken windows tends to be applied in neighborhoods where windows tend to be broken, and that's not usually middle-class and upper-class areas. To support that view of policing, in the view of some who call themselves the majority, is to be an oppressor. Meh.

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I saw a couple of similar signs in North and South Carolina a few weeks ago. n/t Calista241 Sep 2016 #1
No one's going to take their guns away... MrScorpio Sep 2016 #2
Obama is going to take their guns awayy milestogo Sep 2016 #9
Deplorable. raging moderate Sep 2016 #3
Naw - he's just a racist asshole that likes to stir shit. jpak Sep 2016 #5
People die because of this kind of racism. It should not be dismissed. It turns my stomach. The Wielding Truth Sep 2016 #31
snowbillies..... paleotn Sep 2016 #4
People who lead very shallow, lonely lives packman Sep 2016 #6
That sums it all up.... llmart Sep 2016 #7
Finally the truth Jason1961 Sep 2016 #51
And some people wonder why Dem and indie gun owners feel alienated from the party? benEzra Sep 2016 #57
Less Guns will equal much less gun crime. Jason1961 Sep 2016 #66
Which party that has a chance in hell... actslikeacarrot Sep 2016 #71
That's pretty much what Carrie Nation said to people who liked to have wine with dinner. benEzra Sep 2016 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #8
AR-15s are very popular hunting rifles hack89 Sep 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #11
To each their own. hack89 Sep 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #13
Isn't that a solution looking for a problem? branford Sep 2016 #14
So then what would you recommend to reduce the number of incidents like Orlando? cstanleytech Sep 2016 #48
A mass murder by a state-licensed security guard authorized to carry contractor-owned weapons benEzra Sep 2016 #62
I just don't see the point hack89 Sep 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #19
Registration is draconian hack89 Sep 2016 #20
It's always nice to try to change another's culture, Igel Sep 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #49
re: "...most Americans find the status quo unacceptable." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #33
Would that be for all weapons Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #28
I have hunted for over 40 years and I have never seen an AR in the woods jpak Sep 2016 #23
Your Google broken? hack89 Sep 2016 #24
Life-long observation jpak Sep 2016 #25
Then you have never met me hack89 Sep 2016 #26
Interesting another one that all they have is insults Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #29
. Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #54
You were probably out there during the wrong season. ManiacJoe Sep 2016 #35
.223 is not a big game load - it's a human killing load jpak Sep 2016 #38
Depends on the bullet Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #41
It was a civilian varmint round before the military adopted it. Nt hack89 Sep 2016 #42
Or in my state, rifles are banned for deer hunting Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #55
here: EX500rider Sep 2016 #46
Wow Jason1961 Sep 2016 #52
Lots of misconceptions there. ManiacJoe Sep 2016 #56
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #64
You're trying too hard. Throd Sep 2016 #67
"These assault weapons should not be on our streets unless they're in the hands of law enforcement." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #79
Wow.. EX500rider Sep 2016 #60
2nd Ammendment Is for the National Guard Jason1961 Sep 2016 #63
Rigggghhhtt, that's why they put it in The Bill of Rights....lol good one! EX500rider Sep 2016 #68
Enjoy your musket Jason1961 Sep 2016 #69
Enjoy your quill and ink... EX500rider Sep 2016 #70
So you're saying gun owners are getting thrown in prison? ileus Sep 2016 #75
The military doesn't use civilian non-automatics like those, except in very specialized roles. benEzra Sep 2016 #61
I'm sure that makes everyone feel better. Jason1961 Sep 2016 #65
You'd be happier if rifles with straight stocks had been used instead? Or handguns? benEzra Sep 2016 #72
Most AR-15's are .22's, hence are underpowered for hunting anything but small game. benEzra Sep 2016 #58
Not all firearms are meant for hunting. ileus Sep 2016 #74
That's it Coolest Ranger Sep 2016 #16
Just so we are clear . . FairWinds Sep 2016 #17
Every gun owner is a coward? hack89 Sep 2016 #27
Really brave beings . . FairWinds Sep 2016 #43
That isn't me so sounds like I am good. hack89 Sep 2016 #44
Dr. King owned guns for self-defense, benEzra Sep 2016 #76
I don't think I am a coward Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #30
Do you fear mandatory universal background checks? jpak Sep 2016 #39
I disagree Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #40
If I want to give a rifle to a niece, should I have to pay a dealer ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2016 #45
Then LEO's have been carrying them for all the wrong reasons? n/t oneshooter Sep 2016 #34
Including the Secret Service that protect our President? The would of course be the same President 24601 Sep 2016 #37
So a woman who lives alone and keeps a hand gun is coward? EX500rider Sep 2016 #47
Gee, I wonder how people feel in other more pro-gun states. N/t beevul Sep 2016 #18
How nice. Igel Sep 2016 #22
Crazy cowards live in every state. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #32
The gun company Bushmaster was a Maine company until moving to NC in 2011. ManiacJoe Sep 2016 #36
Gun humping and racism go hand in hand mwrguy Sep 2016 #50
+100000000000000000000000 Hoyt Sep 2016 #78
And furthermore . . FairWinds Sep 2016 #53
Then don't own them. benEzra Sep 2016 #59
Deplorable. Anyone want to guess what candidate this cretin supports? Hoyt Sep 2016 #77
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