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116. More like the SEALs tackle him

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 06:39 PM

Sep 2016

In hindsight, which is not meant to be a basis for judging the decisions the SEALs made, there was a high probability that OBL could have been physically captured. We've done this before in an international setting with others we considered fugitives. It means taking risks, but of course storming the compound in the first place was a risk. We can (and have) apprehend people and bring them to trial. The closer to the point of capture that these people can be put on trial the better. But ultimately these people need to be brought to justice, and often must answer to the very people they have abused.

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Jill Stein: 'I would not have assassinated' bin Laden [View all] molova Sep 2016 OP

Jill who? still_one Sep 2016 #1

Oh Jill, GWC58 Sep 2016 #4

I thought you were referring to Jill, of Jack and Jill fame from first grade still_one Sep 2016 #120

Also, every enemy solider in a war needs to be non-violently arrested... brooklynite Sep 2016 #2

Or violently arrested. Either way, cprise Sep 2016 #97

Hey, that's up to the enemy soldier. christx30 Sep 2016 #104

Don't fret. No one wanted bin Laden alive to stand trial. Jerry442 Sep 2016 #176

Boy, she is stupid. skylucy Sep 2016 #3

And that too! GWC58 Sep 2016 #5

If you listen to her, you'll find roody Sep 2016 #130

I've listened to her. She is stupid. skylucy Sep 2016 #133

She is stupid and an anti-vaxxer Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #161

She's right. deathrind Sep 2016 #6

^^ THIS ^^ nt jonno99 Sep 2016 #7

Um, no. It is not against international law to kill someone you msanthrope Sep 2016 #9

Interesting question - are we at war? Congress has they exclusive power to declare war and it has 24601 Sep 2016 #27

Yeah....hate to break it to you, but under the WPA and the AUMF of 9/18/2001 msanthrope Sep 2016 #32

Break it all you want, but the administration disagrees with you as have previous 24601 Sep 2016 #39

most wars/armed conflicts are not declared by legislative bodies. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #83

Who is saying it wasn't legal? Not me. I don't hold that you must be at a state of declared 24601 Sep 2016 #88

I agree, but that seems to be relevant to a different argument. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #89

That's administrative regs. So what. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #92

Myriad Substantive Laws, well beyond administrative regulations, have springboard provisions upon 24601 Sep 2016 #117

Yeah....erm, ok. Unfortunately for you, since the AUMF of 9/18/01 specifically invokes the WPA, it msanthrope Sep 2016 #122

And I recommend you read the 1973 WPA. It is clear that an AUMF is a vehicle that provides 24601 Sep 2016 #143

Yes. I think your last statement says it all...."no good lawyer." msanthrope Sep 2016 #150

Veterans, including military retirees, as well as current servicemen and women have no 24601 Sep 2016 #159

As I said, I think any veteran who served in the Iraq war would appreciate your msanthrope Sep 2016 #162

I don't presume to speak for all veterans; however, speaking for myself and the other combat 24601 Sep 2016 #170

i think it is Enrique Sep 2016 #90

Assassinations, yes. Killing people we are at war with? No. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #93

Nopte Sgent Sep 2016 #165

I find it difficult to find any angst over him being shot and killed regardless of the law though cstanleytech Sep 2016 #98

We looked foolish for killing Bin Laden? vdogg Sep 2016 #10

In front of the world? leftynyc Sep 2016 #12

besides, he wasn't assassinated Mosby Sep 2016 #14

Was he really resisting... or was he just reaching for his weapon nonviolently like Gandhi? Bucky Sep 2016 #166

America looks pretty foolish to many Wibly Sep 2016 #16

LOL leftynyc Sep 2016 #20

he resisted arrest and was shot and killed Mosby Sep 2016 #21

"Resisted arrest"...ok... ncjustice80 Sep 2016 #132

Yes. Urchin Sep 2016 #36

Please, DU has already reached its Conspiracy Theory max during GD: P 2016 emulatorloo Sep 2016 #43

Sanders supported the mission to kill bin laden nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #121

So..... Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #136

Killing enemies is not illegal. nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #17

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Enemy is NOT an arbitrary term WRT to OBL. nt Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #34

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Yes poor poor poor innocent Bin Laden emulatorloo Sep 2016 #45

You mean anyone who masterminds the destruction of American landmarks Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #72

Welcome to DU, and you scare awfully easily. But geek tragedy is terribly frightening emulatorloo Sep 2016 #41

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I'm not laughing. And you know fuck all about me emulatorloo Sep 2016 #47

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Yes, clearly I am a murderous person who wants to kill thousands of innocent civilians. emulatorloo Sep 2016 #57

MIRT will be cleaning this one up quickly nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #66

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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Sep 2016 #73

Yup, I responded to him, then clicked "view all" again and he's suddenly Name Removed. nt Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Sep 2016 #76

I must've missed the stalker exceitment. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #77

he outed himself as the stalker and revealed personal information about another DUer geek tragedy Sep 2016 #81

I saw the mention about that DUer in his post, but didn't read beyond that. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #82

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Appalling. Yet somehow not surprising. emulatorloo Sep 2016 #110

Wow.. It doesn't seem, to me anyway, that you understand what DEC is talking about. pangaia Sep 2016 #75

that poster was just banned for posting Neo-Nazi and misogynist hate speech in another comment. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #78

A neo-nazi Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #137

6. He is a piece of shit Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #79

That's correct, I am the bad guy who just doesn't understand the complex thinking of trolls emulatorloo Sep 2016 #112

You should choose who you defend more carefully. Codeine Sep 2016 #118

the real world isn't a bong-fest in a college dorm geek tragedy Sep 2016 #49

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WtDU; EYSS nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #59

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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Sep 2016 #64

Hey, welcome back sarisataka Sep 2016 #65

Fucking Pinebagger. Codeine Sep 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Sep 2016 #69

bin laden massacred 3000 people in my city. any definition of 'enemy' that doesn't include geek tragedy Sep 2016 #48

Who was it that decided sarisataka Sep 2016 #51

Well said. pangaia Sep 2016 #68

Lol. Great minds think alike? geek tragedy Sep 2016 #71

Well, in the same sense that killing people in general isn't illegal metalbot Sep 2016 #50

Gulen isn't an international fugitive on the run from the entire international community geek tragedy Sep 2016 #53

So what's the line that makes one legal and the other not? metalbot Sep 2016 #60

not sure there's a cut and dry answer on the technical legality geek tragedy Sep 2016 #63

Sure, and have how many attacks Ilsa Sep 2016 #85

Who looked foolish? I think most of babylonsister Sep 2016 #100

why would we want to spend our tax dollars keeping OBL in jail? trueblue2007 Sep 2016 #101

Free Jill... Rustyeye77 Sep 2016 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Sep 2016 #8

Maybe a warrant for his arrest sarisataka Sep 2016 #11

Sadly Wibly Sep 2016 #18

Uh, there was most definitely a firefight inside of his complex. He was armed. tonyt53 Sep 2016 #29

I thought the question of his being armed sarisataka Sep 2016 #35

If we had done that (asked Pakistan to extradite him), christx30 Sep 2016 #147

Bin Laden Wibly Sep 2016 #13

Which slime leftynyc Sep 2016 #22

Really? Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #138

Yes, should have read him his rights on the ground in Pakistan and given him geek tragedy Sep 2016 #15

Forget her, that woo-woo wacko isn't making anything happen. DinahMoeHum Sep 2016 #19

Obama already covered this topic responding to Michael Moore's criticism... mobeau69 Sep 2016 #23

We are either a country of laws or a country of men. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2016 #24

If he had surrendered, yes, he should have been brought to trial. msanthrope Sep 2016 #33

It was also unlikely, since the seals understood that capturing him would have been insubordination. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2016 #40

Bin Laden had 10 years to surrender. He didn't. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #94

That is fine, you would have sent troops in to restrain him and they would have ended up Rex Sep 2016 #25

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The Pakistanis gave up Khalid Sheikh Muhammad hack89 Sep 2016 #52

Good for her. closeupready Sep 2016 #28

The KGB would disagree with assassinated bin Laden. stonecutter357 Sep 2016 #31

Bin Laden ain't assassinated. Jill is toast. Justice Sep 2016 #37

Dear Ms. Stein, 47 hears ya... 47of74 Sep 2016 #42

Ideally, it would have been nice to capture him alive. Gore1FL Sep 2016 #46

It was emminately possible zipplewrath Sep 2016 #86

"We are going to have to begin taking risks to wage law enforcement instead of war, or the war... EX500rider Sep 2016 #107

More like the SEALs tackle him zipplewrath Sep 2016 #116

Well then Thank God for President Obama! misterhighwasted Sep 2016 #54

Death was his choice... Mike Nelson Sep 2016 #56

Too bad suing Saudi Arabia instead of placating them is out of the question, Why again ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2016 #62

The Saudis pump so the US dollar remains cprise Sep 2016 #99

15 yrs ago a fool picked a fight with the American people, he learned that GOLGO 13 Sep 2016 #80

She's a crank Renew Deal Sep 2016 #84

Jill Stein will never be in the position to make such a determination (n/t) PJMcK Sep 2016 #87

this is the problem with novices...she has no f*ckin clue.... beachbum bob Sep 2016 #95

Good, glad you aren't ever going to be elected President LynneSin Sep 2016 #96

Fuck "Doctor" Jill Moonbat. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #102

Not surprising left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 #103

They would have preferred to take him alive Motley13 Sep 2016 #105

He was wanted Dead or Alive, his guards exchanged fire, bin Laden wasn't going alive. Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #106

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This nutcase is giving me warm feelings for Nader. onehandle Sep 2016 #109

Thanks Jill for making me miss Ralph. Rustyeye77 Sep 2016 #111

In this case they resisted, obviously. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2016 #114

Since I don't consider her to have a legitimate chance jimlup Sep 2016 #115

No. It was not. You are conflating assassination with combatant death. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #128

Sorry no jimlup Sep 2016 #131

Bin Laden was a combatant, who chose not to surrender and was killed during a raid. msanthrope Sep 2016 #139

Established only in the propaganda world of the American propaganda system jimlup Sep 2016 #140

Okay....your view is rather elitist. You seem to think only rank and file, grunts are combatants, msanthrope Sep 2016 #141

So it would not be a war crime jimlup Sep 2016 #144

If you want a real war crime then how about the one committed on Sept 11th 2001? cstanleytech Sep 2016 #146

An eye for an eye jimlup Sep 2016 #154

Nope, not an eye for an eye in this case more of putting down a rabid dog. nt cstanleytech Sep 2016 #156

Only if you recognize stateless terrorist forces as legitimate entities on par msanthrope Sep 2016 #149

Ah so then jimlup Sep 2016 #155

So how would you have handled it? christx30 Sep 2016 #158

It is fairly simple actually jimlup Sep 2016 #163

Would you have told Pakistan? Or would you have kept them in the dark, christx30 Sep 2016 #164

No jimlup Sep 2016 #169

So Naive ProfessorGAC Sep 2016 #171

You don't have to be armed to be a combatant.. EX500rider Sep 2016 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech Sep 2016 #145

She has as much chance of being president as I do, Codeine Sep 2016 #119

Killing the bastard is just fine. nt Lucky Luciano Sep 2016 #123

I am pretty much a pacifist, but I would not have hesitated a second in this case JCMach1 Sep 2016 #124

The Green Party is crazy MelSC Sep 2016 #125

Jill Stein LenaBaby61 Sep 2016 #126

A great example of why Jill Stein is polling at 2%. n/t hughee99 Sep 2016 #127

Scary that 2% of the population supports her redstateblues Sep 2016 #129

Yeah, but not the scariest percentage I've seen this year. Bucky Sep 2016 #167

Nobody cares, Jill. DawgHouse Sep 2016 #134

Absolutely the only thing Jill Stein says I agree with 100%. marble falls Sep 2016 #135

Complete Loony Toons. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #142

She's is so brilliant and wouldn't it be epic? nolabels Sep 2016 #148

I believe Jill...she would have been too busy fighting for anti-vaxxers to care about OBL nt Fresh_Start Sep 2016 #151

This thing... UMTerp01 Sep 2016 #152

And this buffoon thinks she could be President? PeteSelman Sep 2016 #153

She obviously has a VERY high opinion of herself. beaglelover Sep 2016 #157

She sounds like Colossius at the end of Deadpool Rocknrule Sep 2016 #168

And that is why she'd be such a shitty POTUS Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #172

Anyone who does not agree 100% with Obama is a traitor GummyBearz Sep 2016 #173

if we captured him alive, he would no longer be a larger than life boogey man yurbud Sep 2016 #174

Instead, he's dead. christx30 Sep 2016 #175