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4. I'm not going to justify the shooting

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:19 AM

Sep 2016

but an escalation in the use of force may have been warranted, like a taser or pepper spray.

There is no way that cops with guns drawn are not shouting "Get on the ground" to the guy repeatedly. He continues to walk toward his vehicle. There is a risk that he is going to retrieve a weapon. The police cannot know this.

Again, shooting him without attempting other levels of force first is an overreaction, IMO, but the man was almost certainly defying the cops' commands.

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Tulsa police say man had no gun; video shows he had hands up [View all] Judi Lynn Sep 2016 OP

It never ends.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #1

Here's some aerial footage of the shooting (graphic warning) True Dough Sep 2016 #2

Why are guns or tasers even drawn? The man's car broke down. He needed help. brush Sep 2016 #3

I'm not going to justify the shooting True Dough Sep 2016 #4

How was he defying them with his hands up? brush Sep 2016 #5

Even if .. Snellius Sep 2016 #8

How the fuck is it that Ahmad Rahami could be apprehended in spite of the fact that he was terror Chakab Sep 2016 #10

But you are implicitly justifyng it.... BronxBoy Sep 2016 #11

Thank you. Eom uppityperson Sep 2016 #26

You're justifying it. HughBeaumont Sep 2016 #13

Thank you, HughBeaumont. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #24

He wasn't being arrested though treestar Sep 2016 #33

This is a local story, so I've paid quite a bit of attention. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #15

the clutch went out of the car my husband was driving UpInArms Sep 2016 #40

And that's a very possible scenario here. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #43

The cop's explanation of events sounds pretty credible. randome Sep 2016 #42

Seriously. His car broke down and this means scaredy cops get to kill him rather than help him. uppityperson Sep 2016 #25

Interesting to watch the whole video here: Snellius Sep 2016 #6

Thank you for that post, and there's no doubt you're right about their walking backwards. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #22

Fuck everyone trying to justify this murder. Solomon Sep 2016 #7

+1,000,000 HughBeaumont Sep 2016 #12

Thank you Solomon. You speak so well for us. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #23

As a former female cop, I can't imagine drawing a gun when the call is "stalled vehicle." Vinca Sep 2016 #9

Given Tulsa's history I'm not surprised by this. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #14

Why on earth is there a police helicopter there PatSeg Sep 2016 #16

Idea: start boycotting the businesses in these cities. neeksgeek Sep 2016 #17

Just saw the helicopter video. That was cold blooded murder. The shooter and the accomplices... George II Sep 2016 #18

Usually I give the cops the benefit of the doubt............... Old Vet Sep 2016 #19

Take a knee for the republic for which it stands: Marcuse Sep 2016 #20

Absolutely. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #21

This was cold blooded murder still_one Sep 2016 #27

Why is he walking away? nt doc03 Sep 2016 #28

Past Tulsa cop killing. moondust Sep 2016 #29

A death sentence is a big long ordeal The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #30

On Morning Joe Sgent Sep 2016 #31

I just found out NoGoodNamesLeft Sep 2016 #32

They are now saying they found PCP in the man's car NickB79 Sep 2016 #34

Police never plant drugs or drop guns to cover their asses, do they? No, that would be wrong. Judi Lynn Sep 2016 #36

They're tainting the jury pool. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #38

and I would trust anything from the Tulsa police department at this point? UpInArms Sep 2016 #41

This whole situation is weird and sad. romanic Sep 2016 #35

Yet another horrific murder by our country's police SFierro2004 Sep 2016 #37

It took him about 12 seconds to fall looking at the dashcam video exboyfil Sep 2016 #39