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6. He did.

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Fri Sep 23, 2016, 11:12 PM

Sep 2016

http://www.loriferber.com/presidential-memorabilia/george-w-bush/george-bush-signed-american-flag.html

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HS teacher who stepped on US flag faces 10 days unpaid leave [View all] Judi Lynn Sep 2016 OP

Mixed feelings on this one bpositive Sep 2016 #1

I agree metroins Sep 2016 #4

The rights behind the flag are more important than idol worship nt Gore1FL Sep 2016 #5

Yep. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2016 #8

Thank you I fully agree gopiscrap Sep 2016 #35

Good quote nt WDIM Sep 2016 #47

Thank you she out that well treestar Sep 2016 #90

No, they gave their lives for the people. The flag is just a piece of material. jtuck004 Sep 2016 #10

Agree - the flag is just material bpositive Sep 2016 #17

The SC disagrees jtuck004 Sep 2016 #19

Emotions run deep on this one bpositive Sep 2016 #21

If it means anything you have to stand up for it, else it means nothing. You can't say it means so jtuck004 Sep 2016 #22

If a symbol's unimportant to you, it's just a symbol. Igel Sep 2016 #67

Then it is interesting to consider treestar Sep 2016 #91

I support this teacher emphatically reggaehead Sep 2016 #12

and those same men and women fought so that teacher had the freedom to step on that flag. Javaman Sep 2016 #23

"Freed?" No one is in jail. branford Sep 2016 #37

Yes I would ! treestar Sep 2016 #92

If the lesson on free speech involved a discussion branford Sep 2016 #105

Isn't there a case that you can burn the flag? treestar Sep 2016 #112

You can indeed burn the flag... on your own time and property. branford Sep 2016 #115

I don't see him as trying to force any beliefs, exactly treestar Sep 2016 #116

One big issue is that the teacher still doesn't understand and accept what he did wrong. branford Sep 2016 #117

I can see a difference there treestar Sep 2016 #118

Tinker V. Des Moines: People do not leave their 1st amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #32

Tinker goes on to allow certain restrictions on Freedom of Speech LTG Sep 2016 #57

Illegal and profane have no protections. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #84

No argument can be made for that treestar Sep 2016 #93

You might be right, but: LTG Sep 2016 #106

As a teacher, you have a responsibility not offend anyone in your classroom vinny9698 Sep 2016 #45

Offending people can be a way WDIM Sep 2016 #48

I guess that must be Trump;s plan all along vinny9698 Sep 2016 #50

Was there a trigger warning? ripcord Sep 2016 #85

Except its a public school and the teacher should not be suspended cstanleytech Sep 2016 #56

Does the Freedom of Speech in the 1st Amendment allow all speech from the teacher? forthemiddle Sep 2016 #64

Its not me allowing this behavior its the Constitution if you want to abolish it though cstanleytech Sep 2016 #65

If this same teacher burned, or stomped on his flag at his home forthemiddle Sep 2016 #66

Ya except the courts already ruled though that doing anything with the flag is protected speech and cstanleytech Sep 2016 #68

Now if North Carolina allowed teachers to be represented by ....... mrmpa Sep 2016 #79

Yup it will turn into the best lesson ever! Egnever Sep 2016 #111

no one ever gave their life for a flag Skittles Sep 2016 #58

Actually many standard bearers have given their live to protect or recover their flag.. EX500rider Sep 2016 #70

With respect Mr Skittles I Disagree............. Old Vet Sep 2016 #72

I'm a veteran too Skittles Sep 2016 #78

More than what it stood for ok treestar Sep 2016 #95

And no one ever gave their life for the flag or the country. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2016 #76

I disagree Skittles Sep 2016 #77

I stand by "most never had a choice" when being killed. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2016 #81

um......alrighty then Skittles Sep 2016 #82

with all due respect, no, I don't think you get freedom of speech. pepperbear Sep 2016 #75

He was demonstrating to the class treestar Sep 2016 #89

Agreed GummyBearz Sep 2016 #104

How Convenient ProfessorGAC Sep 2016 #109

And proceeded to make it the best lesson ever! Egnever Sep 2016 #110

But when Police ochem Sep 2016 #2

No comparison bpositive Sep 2016 #7

Damn. You are so fricking wrong. Solomon Sep 2016 #63

Stomping on OUR countries flag in a public school by a teacher is in itself............. Old Vet Sep 2016 #80

Poor taste is allowed per freedom of speech treestar Sep 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author branford Sep 2016 #14

The teacher wasn't convicted of anything either. ochem Sep 2016 #34

Oops. I accidentally responded to a post in the wrong thread. Will delete. branford Sep 2016 #39

Gee, didn't GW Bush autograph a flag and also walk on one? sinkingfeeling Sep 2016 #3

He did. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2016 #6

While there are much better sarisataka Sep 2016 #9

Or they could keep their noses out of the classroom and support someone doing a job they can't. jtuck004 Sep 2016 #11

I specifically stated sarisataka Sep 2016 #13

The Supreme Court already saw a freedom of speech issue and invalidated any prohibition against jtuck004 Sep 2016 #15

Based on the information presented in the article, branford Sep 2016 #24

WV V. Barnette: No government official, no matter how high or petty, shall dictate what Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #30

None of the cases you cite here is relevant to the case being discussed metalbot Sep 2016 #103

Based on the story, I believe large components of the harsh branford Sep 2016 #20

I believe some sarisataka Sep 2016 #29

Tinker V. Des Moines: People do not leave their 1st amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #31

Tinker is inapplicable or can easily be distinguished. branford Sep 2016 #42

If it was to demonstrate free speech it would be fine treestar Sep 2016 #99

Exactly ! treestar Sep 2016 #97

Way to prove his point, superintendent. The first is a symbol for our rights which include the right uppityperson Sep 2016 #16

See my posts #24 and #20. branford Sep 2016 #25

You have no right to free speech in the workplace. former9thward Sep 2016 #26

Of course you have the right to free speech WDIM Sep 2016 #49

If it is a public institution treestar Sep 2016 #98

Please cite the court decision this teacher can use. former9thward Sep 2016 #107

The Tinker case cited above treestar Sep 2016 #113

Tinker was about students -- not employees. former9thward Sep 2016 #114

A high school teacher in my area also demonstrated free speech in this manner: she was fired Midnight Writer Sep 2016 #18

Scary to think of treestar Sep 2016 #100

I'd sue: Tinker V. Des Moines. . .people do not leave their first amendment rights Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #27

Just because your speech is free doesn't mean you won't pay for it. LisaL Sep 2016 #33

Public schools are government official. I quote Tinker yet again. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #36

And you would still be wrong. branford Sep 2016 #43

I quote Tinker yet again. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #53

You can quote Tinker all you want. branford Sep 2016 #54

I don't like to see it vdogg Sep 2016 #28

Flag-stomping South Carolina English teacher gets $85,000 settlement from school district jtuck004 Sep 2016 #38

keep in mind, the teacher is black and this IS North Carolina. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #41

You don't need to commit an illegal act to face employment discipline, even in the public sector. nt branford Sep 2016 #44

Freedom of speech ended with the patriot act WDIM Sep 2016 #46

Show me his defense fund, show me his gofundme where he's collecting money to cover the 10 days pay truthisfreedom Sep 2016 #51

Here's the correct punishment. He is guilty of something. truthisfreedom Sep 2016 #52

Huh? branford Sep 2016 #55

What about all those people with flags in their yards greymattermom Sep 2016 #59

For what? Blasphemy? stone space Sep 2016 #60

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This one will end up in the Supreme Court, the district superintendent will lose.. Stuart G Sep 2016 #62

That fact that the political display was part of the lesson branford Sep 2016 #83

Or Lokilooney Sep 2016 #87

Excellent lesson for students about our free speech rights. Sunlei Sep 2016 #69

Let's see how conservatives respect our flag for all the world to see. keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #71

I'm a veteran and I don't consider the flag sacred - it's just a symbol.... TheDebbieDee Sep 2016 #73

You know what bothers me? matt819 Sep 2016 #74

Best post of the thread!!! Homer Wells Sep 2016 #94

+1 JoePhilly Sep 2016 #108

Oh yeah ? Well... reACTIONary Sep 2016 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #88

Teacher was correct. SC school dist. paid him a $85,000 settlement to avoid Federal court case. Sunlei Sep 2016 #101

This 38 year Army Combat Veteran and high school Social Studies teacher CRK7376 Sep 2016 #102