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SomeGuyInEagan

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Fri Sep 23, 2016, 11:15 PM

Sep 2016

“I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.”

- Molly Ivins

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HS teacher who stepped on US flag faces 10 days unpaid leave [View all] Judi Lynn Sep 2016 OP

Mixed feelings on this one bpositive Sep 2016 #1

I agree metroins Sep 2016 #4

The rights behind the flag are more important than idol worship nt Gore1FL Sep 2016 #5

Yep. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2016 #8

Thank you I fully agree gopiscrap Sep 2016 #35

Good quote nt WDIM Sep 2016 #47

Thank you she out that well treestar Sep 2016 #90

No, they gave their lives for the people. The flag is just a piece of material. jtuck004 Sep 2016 #10

Agree - the flag is just material bpositive Sep 2016 #17

The SC disagrees jtuck004 Sep 2016 #19

Emotions run deep on this one bpositive Sep 2016 #21

If it means anything you have to stand up for it, else it means nothing. You can't say it means so jtuck004 Sep 2016 #22

If a symbol's unimportant to you, it's just a symbol. Igel Sep 2016 #67

Then it is interesting to consider treestar Sep 2016 #91

I support this teacher emphatically reggaehead Sep 2016 #12

and those same men and women fought so that teacher had the freedom to step on that flag. Javaman Sep 2016 #23

"Freed?" No one is in jail. branford Sep 2016 #37

Yes I would ! treestar Sep 2016 #92

If the lesson on free speech involved a discussion branford Sep 2016 #105

Isn't there a case that you can burn the flag? treestar Sep 2016 #112

You can indeed burn the flag... on your own time and property. branford Sep 2016 #115

I don't see him as trying to force any beliefs, exactly treestar Sep 2016 #116

One big issue is that the teacher still doesn't understand and accept what he did wrong. branford Sep 2016 #117

I can see a difference there treestar Sep 2016 #118

Tinker V. Des Moines: People do not leave their 1st amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #32

Tinker goes on to allow certain restrictions on Freedom of Speech LTG Sep 2016 #57

Illegal and profane have no protections. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #84

No argument can be made for that treestar Sep 2016 #93

You might be right, but: LTG Sep 2016 #106

As a teacher, you have a responsibility not offend anyone in your classroom vinny9698 Sep 2016 #45

Offending people can be a way WDIM Sep 2016 #48

I guess that must be Trump;s plan all along vinny9698 Sep 2016 #50

Was there a trigger warning? ripcord Sep 2016 #85

Except its a public school and the teacher should not be suspended cstanleytech Sep 2016 #56

Does the Freedom of Speech in the 1st Amendment allow all speech from the teacher? forthemiddle Sep 2016 #64

Its not me allowing this behavior its the Constitution if you want to abolish it though cstanleytech Sep 2016 #65

If this same teacher burned, or stomped on his flag at his home forthemiddle Sep 2016 #66

Ya except the courts already ruled though that doing anything with the flag is protected speech and cstanleytech Sep 2016 #68

Now if North Carolina allowed teachers to be represented by ....... mrmpa Sep 2016 #79

Yup it will turn into the best lesson ever! Egnever Sep 2016 #111

no one ever gave their life for a flag Skittles Sep 2016 #58

Actually many standard bearers have given their live to protect or recover their flag.. EX500rider Sep 2016 #70

With respect Mr Skittles I Disagree............. Old Vet Sep 2016 #72

I'm a veteran too Skittles Sep 2016 #78

More than what it stood for ok treestar Sep 2016 #95

And no one ever gave their life for the flag or the country. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2016 #76

I disagree Skittles Sep 2016 #77

I stand by "most never had a choice" when being killed. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2016 #81

um......alrighty then Skittles Sep 2016 #82

with all due respect, no, I don't think you get freedom of speech. pepperbear Sep 2016 #75

He was demonstrating to the class treestar Sep 2016 #89

Agreed GummyBearz Sep 2016 #104

How Convenient ProfessorGAC Sep 2016 #109

And proceeded to make it the best lesson ever! Egnever Sep 2016 #110

But when Police ochem Sep 2016 #2

No comparison bpositive Sep 2016 #7

Damn. You are so fricking wrong. Solomon Sep 2016 #63

Stomping on OUR countries flag in a public school by a teacher is in itself............. Old Vet Sep 2016 #80

Poor taste is allowed per freedom of speech treestar Sep 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author branford Sep 2016 #14

The teacher wasn't convicted of anything either. ochem Sep 2016 #34

Oops. I accidentally responded to a post in the wrong thread. Will delete. branford Sep 2016 #39

Gee, didn't GW Bush autograph a flag and also walk on one? sinkingfeeling Sep 2016 #3

He did. SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2016 #6

While there are much better sarisataka Sep 2016 #9

Or they could keep their noses out of the classroom and support someone doing a job they can't. jtuck004 Sep 2016 #11

I specifically stated sarisataka Sep 2016 #13

The Supreme Court already saw a freedom of speech issue and invalidated any prohibition against jtuck004 Sep 2016 #15

Based on the information presented in the article, branford Sep 2016 #24

WV V. Barnette: No government official, no matter how high or petty, shall dictate what Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #30

None of the cases you cite here is relevant to the case being discussed metalbot Sep 2016 #103

Based on the story, I believe large components of the harsh branford Sep 2016 #20

I believe some sarisataka Sep 2016 #29

Tinker V. Des Moines: People do not leave their 1st amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #31

Tinker is inapplicable or can easily be distinguished. branford Sep 2016 #42

If it was to demonstrate free speech it would be fine treestar Sep 2016 #99

Exactly ! treestar Sep 2016 #97

Way to prove his point, superintendent. The first is a symbol for our rights which include the right uppityperson Sep 2016 #16

See my posts #24 and #20. branford Sep 2016 #25

You have no right to free speech in the workplace. former9thward Sep 2016 #26

Of course you have the right to free speech WDIM Sep 2016 #49

If it is a public institution treestar Sep 2016 #98

Please cite the court decision this teacher can use. former9thward Sep 2016 #107

The Tinker case cited above treestar Sep 2016 #113

Tinker was about students -- not employees. former9thward Sep 2016 #114

A high school teacher in my area also demonstrated free speech in this manner: she was fired Midnight Writer Sep 2016 #18

Scary to think of treestar Sep 2016 #100

I'd sue: Tinker V. Des Moines. . .people do not leave their first amendment rights Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #27

Just because your speech is free doesn't mean you won't pay for it. LisaL Sep 2016 #33

Public schools are government official. I quote Tinker yet again. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #36

And you would still be wrong. branford Sep 2016 #43

I quote Tinker yet again. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #53

You can quote Tinker all you want. branford Sep 2016 #54

I don't like to see it vdogg Sep 2016 #28

Flag-stomping South Carolina English teacher gets $85,000 settlement from school district jtuck004 Sep 2016 #38

keep in mind, the teacher is black and this IS North Carolina. Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #41

You don't need to commit an illegal act to face employment discipline, even in the public sector. nt branford Sep 2016 #44

Freedom of speech ended with the patriot act WDIM Sep 2016 #46

Show me his defense fund, show me his gofundme where he's collecting money to cover the 10 days pay truthisfreedom Sep 2016 #51

Here's the correct punishment. He is guilty of something. truthisfreedom Sep 2016 #52

Huh? branford Sep 2016 #55

What about all those people with flags in their yards greymattermom Sep 2016 #59

For what? Blasphemy? stone space Sep 2016 #60

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This one will end up in the Supreme Court, the district superintendent will lose.. Stuart G Sep 2016 #62

That fact that the political display was part of the lesson branford Sep 2016 #83

Or Lokilooney Sep 2016 #87

Excellent lesson for students about our free speech rights. Sunlei Sep 2016 #69

Let's see how conservatives respect our flag for all the world to see. keithbvadu2 Sep 2016 #71

I'm a veteran and I don't consider the flag sacred - it's just a symbol.... TheDebbieDee Sep 2016 #73

You know what bothers me? matt819 Sep 2016 #74

Best post of the thread!!! Homer Wells Sep 2016 #94

+1 JoePhilly Sep 2016 #108

Oh yeah ? Well... reACTIONary Sep 2016 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #88

Teacher was correct. SC school dist. paid him a $85,000 settlement to avoid Federal court case. Sunlei Sep 2016 #101

This 38 year Army Combat Veteran and high school Social Studies teacher CRK7376 Sep 2016 #102