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In reply to the discussion: This US summer is 'what global warming looks like' [View all]caseymoz
(5,763 posts)111. Mice certainly knew their space was limited.
If evolution didn't equip mice for that environment, it hasn't equipped us for this one. Nothing in our natural history prepares us to confront worldwide resource depletion and environmental catastrophe. Consider human beings have an equal drive to reproduce, by accident if no other way. In other words, reproduction is a drive that usually will thwart our minds' decision to stop it.
And if it weren't the love of money, it would be something else. Even with the love of money, it wouldn't have mattered if during the Green Revolution we controlled our population. However, instead of stopping our population there, humankind did what it did every time it escaped a crash prior. We increased our numbers. We took more food and turned it into more people.
Believe me though, if it weren't greed, it would have been something else. The drive to reproduce is just that strong, even if some individuals and even nations can succeed for a while, it will be thwarted. The population that won't reproduce gets overrun by immigration of a population that will.
We can be very intelligent about seeing what the problem is. Unfortunately, the part of our brain that sees it is subordinate to the part that controls behavior. What we lack is anything that gives us the ability to socially organize on anything like the scale necessary. Nation-states aren't cut out for it.
So, it won't matter what you come up with as a solution because it has to be cooperative and coordinated. Our natural history has left us just as deficient for it as the mice were.
I get angry at individuals or groups who won't even consider the problem possible, like the Koch brothers or Rush Limbaugh. I'm being part of the problem, however, if I despise all humanity for it, especially when it doesn't match my POV. That is: if humankind fails and dies out, it's because we weren't capable of succeeding. My best hope is for a die back and "bottleneck" which selects for a human descendant which can organize more effectively against the problem. Homo Sapiens Sapiens haven't shown the ability to do it. We might be confronted with a "bottleneck" or it might be extinction where the even the fittest don't survive.
Two things failed in the twentieth century which put us in this position: space travel and fusion energy. Every view SF writers up to the 1960s had of future society involved those two coming through. Unfortunately, both have proved far more daunting than we thought.
Have you wondered why we haven't heard from intelligent extraterrestrial life, yet? Maybe this is the problem that gets all of them. If that's the case, its unsolvable.
On you're final point, if it's a matter of us saving our nests, why wish for the destruction of humankind? That's what you started out saying. You've backpedaled. I can't see what you've said in this latest post as reconcilable with what you said before, which sounded for all the world like a prophet calling down God's judgment. That especially doesn't make sense when you don't believe in God.
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Sorry, but real climate scientists have totally debunked the 'Earth turning into Venus' baloney.
AverageJoe90
Jul 2012
#115
Venus's plates became locked in place at some point, and have stayed that way. (On the other hand..)
AverageJoe90
Jul 2012
#120
I can vaguely recall a documentary that ran on an Austin, TX area indie station back in '96 or so...
AverageJoe90
Jul 2012
#116
+100000, it is that type of Malthusian anti-humanistic rhetoric from absolute extremists in the
stockholmer
Jul 2012
#22
Well, I wouldn't put our collective failure to take action on their shoulders.
antigone382
Jul 2012
#79
You are right. We are not parasites (which often contribute to wider ecosystemic stability).
Ghost Dog
Jul 2012
#122
What you say is true. However, most people function better with a little hope.
GliderGuider
Jul 2012
#51
We think some of those dinosaur reptillian species, however, developed through their 'bottleneck'
Ghost Dog
Jul 2012
#123
Very few people are aware of Calhoun's research, let alone its implications for humanity.
GliderGuider
Jul 2012
#84
Thanks. There are a few that see what is happening. Too few, I'm afraid, to correct the course we
RC
Jul 2012
#83
At one time James Lovelock might have agreed with this idea, but he's changed his position a bit
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#17
It is though, an apt descriptor regardless of how we ourselves may feel about it.
LanternWaste
Jul 2012
#90
Holding out hope that these constant, excessive heat waves will change some minds.
antigone382
Jul 2012
#8
More recent version here - and these update every Thursday morning at around 9:00 Central Time, IIRC
hatrack
Jul 2012
#33
they hid their changes under a software upgrade, whereas commercial seed growers
magical thyme
Jul 2012
#32
Last week on the local news, the "good" news was that only almost all of TX...
LanternWaste
Jul 2012
#30
Flying cars! Faithful robotics! Limitless power! The Picture Phone! A 30-hour work week!
slackmaster
Jul 2012
#37
I was thinking more along the lines of "Kill the pig! Slit her throat! Bash her in!"
hatrack
Jul 2012
#113
"Nor will they say global warming is the reason 3,215 daily high temperature records were set in the
Tiggeroshii
Jul 2012
#130