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Amishman

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84. investigate them for what? having ideas you don't like?

Fri Oct 28, 2016, 06:46 AM

Oct 2016

Jury nullification is legal. Having unpopular ideas is legal. So unless you have specific evidence that these anonymous jurors committed crimes, I suggest taking a step back and thinking about it. As I said already in this thread, we are a nation of laws.

There is a significant slice of this country with very different ideals than what we are used to. It showed up with the actions of these idiots invading the refuge, it showed up again with the verdict, and we are seeing it with Trump. Thankfully they are far from a majority, but sharing a country with these people is going to be a big ongoing challenge. I do not envy President Clinton in her task, as the only practical solution given their numbers is to try to reach out a hand and calm them somehow.

This fucking sucks, but it is the world we live in.

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#BREAKING: Jury finds 7 Malheur occupiers not guilty [View all] Coyotl Oct 2016 OP

So free to fuck us all up at will... Foggyhill Oct 2016 #1

ffs joeybee12 Oct 2016 #2

Let me guess�there wasn't enough fucking EVIDENCE for the jury? blm Oct 2016 #3

Facts? We don't care about facts! elias7 Oct 2016 #61

no - video feeds, FB posts, tweets and being there don't count wordpix Oct 2016 #99

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #116

What the fuck? dbackjon Oct 2016 #4

Meanwhile, Native American Protectors are being maced & rounded up Achilleaze Oct 2016 #5

^^This^^!!! Wuddles440 Oct 2016 #41

They let the right wing pos criminals go free rockfordfile Oct 2016 #6

So you can do that and it's OK? Red Mountain Oct 2016 #7

Hey, Red......... MyOwnPeace Oct 2016 #36

What other evidence did they need? dbackjon Oct 2016 #8

Next time the feds just need to use armed force geek tragedy Oct 2016 #9

Juries just can't seem to understand the laws anymore. Look sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #10

The Casey Anthony jury found 100% the right verdict obamanut2012 Oct 2016 #26

Really, you think she had nothing to do with the murder of a sweet sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #28

I personally don't think Kaylee was murdered obamanut2012 Oct 2016 #35

read the statute and review the evidence Amishman Oct 2016 #83

That wasn't the question before that jury jberryhill Oct 2016 #90

Here's an actual news story about this. Twitter is not a news source, by the way. pnwmom Oct 2016 #11

+1 harun Oct 2016 #105

Prosecutors overcharged, as usual. former9thward Oct 2016 #12

My first thought as well pediatricmedic Oct 2016 #21

Possession of firearms at a federal facility is "overcharged" ? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #42

Yes. former9thward Oct 2016 #49

I don't remember that particular charge in the charging documents. PSPS Oct 2016 #53

A link former9thward Oct 2016 #59

Thanks. PSPS Oct 2016 #77

I see. Thanks for the background and the analysis. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #67

not guilty? lemme guess the skin color. unblock Oct 2016 #14

I don't think race matters metroins Oct 2016 #55

lol! yeah, mind-boggling, the idea that justice might be slightly different for black people. unblock Oct 2016 #56

Not uncomfortable metroins Oct 2016 #58

See: North Dakota ... Date: TODAY ... brett_jv Oct 2016 #66

Whatever floats your boat metroins Oct 2016 #69

really? barbtries Oct 2016 #80

So they must have been just visiting? Having a picnic with snacks? IronLionZion Oct 2016 #15

You'd have to convict them of a crime before you can christx30 Oct 2016 #44

Guilty Verdicts had to be unanimous so one juror could have done this underpants Oct 2016 #16

One juror dissenting is called a "hung" jury, not a verdict. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #43

D'oh! underpants Oct 2016 #45

I bet there were anti-government fuckers on the jury alarimer Oct 2016 #17

Amen 47of74 Oct 2016 #37

AMEN!!! philosslayer Oct 2016 #65

A jury is allowed to vote no for any reason at all Travis_0004 Oct 2016 #86

What evidence leads you to allege that? LanternWaste Oct 2016 #89

investigate them for what? having ideas you don't like? Amishman Oct 2016 #84

Wait... NOT the Onion? Adrahil Oct 2016 #18

Yeah, MyOwnPeace Oct 2016 #38

My guess is the case was contaminated by the use of FBI infiltrators actively encouraging Monk06 Oct 2016 #19

Groovy, I am going to go colonize Santa Barbara Island Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #20

hmmmmm, that reminds me trc Oct 2016 #50

For the purposes of being called upon to "check one's privilege" I suppose I am white Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #62

yes, the point of my apparently not humorous comment on white privelige trc Oct 2016 #68

Oh no, it was humorous. I seem to be the one who failed at that. Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #71

BREAKING: U.S. Marshals Service: Ammon Bundy's attorney Marcus Mumford in federal custody Coyotl Oct 2016 #22

Hmm... Possibly, jury tampering? Hugin Oct 2016 #94

Screaming at the judge telling her she must release the Bundy brothers, wouldn't shut up. Coyotl Oct 2016 #96

oh...article didn't say so that explains it: "We own the courts!!! Donald says so!" wordpix Oct 2016 #109

article says it's b/c Mumford asked for papers to show Bundy shold be held wordpix Oct 2016 #108

White Privilege Much?? malchickiwick Oct 2016 #24

Trump will love this left-of-center2012 Oct 2016 #27

Yet... Else You Are Mad Oct 2016 #30

Meanwhile in North Dakota... nt Earth_First Oct 2016 #32

Jury nullifucation? Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #33

So, MyOwnPeace Oct 2016 #39

Governor Kate Brown Statement Coyotl Oct 2016 #40

Yeah but Danascot Oct 2016 #46

This a a greenlight for more of this crap Va Lefty Oct 2016 #47

I can't help but think the Nevada case will be difft. hollowdweller Oct 2016 #48

I want the protesters at the Dakota Pipeline released immediately, and these protesters didn't have still_one Oct 2016 #52

Were they even charged with vandalism, destroying property, and whatever law cover the artifacts? Crash2Parties Oct 2016 #54

Jury knew more than us metroins Oct 2016 #57

Well, I know what I saw just on TEEVEE mdbl Oct 2016 #82

WRONG. Jurors are only allowed to see SOME evidence. Bohunk68 Oct 2016 #87

So disgusted. They can raid and occupy at will. Literally S##t all over ALBliberal Oct 2016 #60

That's pathatic. paleotn Oct 2016 #63

i guess taking over federal land is no okw rdking647 Oct 2016 #64

Conservative militia requests/encourages killing of police. keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #70

I can't even read it. This is so wrong! Equinox Moon Oct 2016 #72

Wow. jeffreyi Oct 2016 #73

Next up: Courthouses and post offices!!! moondust Oct 2016 #74

Yep... If you thought the Nevada standoff was emboldening, you haven't seen anything, yet! Hugin Oct 2016 #92

Are? You? Fucking? Kidding? Kennah Oct 2016 #75

I'm guessing it was an all-white jury. nt SunSeeker Oct 2016 #76

Same reason Zimmerman got off DonCoquixote Oct 2016 #78

I think your first paragraph is absolutely right. nt raccoon Oct 2016 #97

i don't believe it. barbtries Oct 2016 #79

Immediate reaction is sickening disbelief HAB911 Oct 2016 #81

It's difficult to not be discouraged by this but don't be. randome Oct 2016 #85

they will still control the House, and governors mansions and legislatures geek tragedy Oct 2016 #98

You can't live w them, you can't shame them, you can't put 'em in a box & mail 'em to the Marianas. randome Oct 2016 #101

they sure as hell continue to stop gay rights. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #102

White people get off scott-free, Native-Americans get tear-gassed and beaten. Odin2005 Oct 2016 #88

Blacks would have been shot on sight dalton99 Oct 2016 #93

Crap! Hugin Oct 2016 #91

Disgusting Owl Oct 2016 #95

My question to this Separation Oct 2016 #112

White Terrorist Bundy Group Goes Free Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #115

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