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35. Detroit Police are issue the S&W M&P40 in .40S&W.

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:34 PM

Jul 2012

These are striker fired pistols like Glocks, Springfield XD's, and others. Internal safety system is very similar to a Glock using a partially cocked striker where the full trigger squeeze is required to disengage the safety, fully cock the striker, then engage the sear in order to fire. Technically a DAO system. It would be extremely difficult to have a N.D. if the pistol was properly holstered but not impossible. Without knowing how tall the victim and police officer was it is not inconceivable that in the process of hugging the officer around the waste she could have pushed the handgun in such a way that it would have rotated on the belt clip, engaged the trigger in some way, and fired in which case the pistol would have been pointing at her chest when it went off.

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Are holstered weapons supposed to be locked? This is a serious question. pnwmom Jul 2012 #1

Generally no obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #16

Agree Country Tom Jul 2012 #31

Yup. Shadowflash Jul 2012 #53

It is completely safe obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #58

That depends on the gun. Plenty of guns had accidental discharge problems. Sirveri Jul 2012 #185

How SHE shot herself? How can you even use that phrasing? Demit Jul 2012 #54

With the info we currently have, she discharged the weapon somehow obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #56

The part that doesn't add up to me is that his gun was holstered in his waistband pacalo Jul 2012 #148

Add to that the fact that police usually use hollow point or soft point bullets. TheWraith Jul 2012 #176

How the gun jumped out of the holster and shot her 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #76

Do you live in Somalia? Boxcar Willie Jul 2012 #192

Do you live in the USA? PavePusher Jul 2012 #194

Yes Boxcar Willie Jul 2012 #197

Most police weapons are double-action-only, with no safety switch. TheWraith Jul 2012 #33

I'm glad to hear that it isn't as easy as it sounded. I hope they do a thorough investigation. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #43

I do too. TheWraith Jul 2012 #177

I think if you check Old Codger Jul 2012 #47

I agree obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #59

"the long hard trigger pull is to insure it doesn't go off too easily." greiner3 Jul 2012 #65

You just proved you have no clue what you are talking about Lurks Often Jul 2012 #69

Just wow! oldhippie Jul 2012 #77

You should do just a LITTLE more basic research before trying to type a post to fill a meme snooper2 Jul 2012 #108

Gee, you sound like a gunsmith. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #117

You could be right sarisataka Jul 2012 #121

Oh hey, dumbest post I've seen on DU in hours. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #134

I.... TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #2

We'd expect nothing less. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #67

Can't begin to compete with the *cough* TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #112

Very odd Meiko Jul 2012 #3

40 cal S&W n/t safeinOhio Jul 2012 #6

.40 Smith and Wesson is the round the weapon fired. TheWraith Jul 2012 #37

Both. safeinOhio Jul 2012 #55

Yea I saw that Meiko Jul 2012 #100

Glocks have a trigger safety Peregrine Jul 2012 #8

My 9,, doesn, too obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #18

I think you meant to say "does too." TheWraith Jul 2012 #36

Maybe tape it down Peregrine Jul 2012 #46

I did -- I was half asleep when I wote it! obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #57

I know Meiko Jul 2012 #101

that is true Old Codger Jul 2012 #214

So many questions... bluedigger Jul 2012 #4

Strange story. So, a round was in the chamber, the safety was off, and somehow a "hug" caused AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #5

Several points MicaelS Jul 2012 #13

Instead of going through each point, cf #2 - "Revolvers do not have safeties. Never have." with: AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #15

Interesting. Third-party, after-market parts, but cool. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #20

Point taken. In contrast, the hammer on a common S&W acts as a safety in that it must be cocked AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #28

Your "common s&w"... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #50

Nope. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #68

Takes more than pulling the trigger to fire an XD. Clames Jul 2012 #89

Plus, maybe, a hug? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #98

You said cock the hammer... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #106

Nope. If your statement is not universally believed, do you have a link to support it? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #114

"is not universally believed because I don't agree"... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #175

That is NOT the safety, it is the cylinder release latch... MicaelS Jul 2012 #25

It is actually a safety. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #27

It's a Murabito aftermarket safety for older S&W revolvers. Major Nikon Jul 2012 #29

That's an aftermarket modification, not standard equipment. TheWraith Jul 2012 #38

Yes, in response to the statement ""Revolvers do not have safeties. Never have.", the photo AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #45

Since it appears you want to be pendantic... MicaelS Jul 2012 #73

"pendantic". Is that your new word for the day? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #74

Yes.. I looked it up in the dictionary and found your picture. n/t MicaelS Jul 2012 #75

Actually, AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #79

That's a cylinder release, not a safety, fyi. Deep13 Jul 2012 #71

No. See #29. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #72

That's a Taurus, not a SW. Deep13 Jul 2012 #120

A google search produced the photo that I used. Since thousands of such safeties have been added to AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #122

I'm not in class right now. Deep13 Jul 2012 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Deep13 Jul 2012 #119

sounds fishy Kyad06 Jul 2012 #7

It doesn't make sense, does it? IndyJones Jul 2012 #9

No obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #19

ricochet? AlecBGreen Jul 2012 #10

Very, Very Fishy DallasNE Jul 2012 #12

Many shoulder holsters the barrel points straight back Crabby Appleton Jul 2012 #17

That's assuming the idiot had the right holster for the gun. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #48

It was a inside waistband holder covered by his shirt rocktivity Jul 2012 #99

Crabby, that photo looks like an accident waiting to happen. tru Jul 2012 #118

Pretty difficult to do that actually. PavePusher Jul 2012 #164

Shoulder holster?? n/t Beartracks Jul 2012 #34

It would have to be, wouldn't it? Angle from hip would hit her lower, not in the heart. freshwest Jul 2012 #206

the mother seems to question it as well: unblock Jul 2012 #11

I don't think that's possible without intent. TheWraith Jul 2012 #39

lots of unanswered questions; could he have been trying to prevent access to his gun? unblock Jul 2012 #41

Almost all police weapons don't have a safety switch. TheWraith Jul 2012 #42

Actually... HALO141 Jul 2012 #103

Sounds like a classic case of premature ejaculation gone Freudian n/t Blandocyte Jul 2012 #14

guns are mainly veganlush Jul 2012 #21

Agree... Fredjust Jul 2012 #22

Guess that's why cops carry them. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #66

Have some more coffee. PavePusher Jul 2012 #85

People have to protect themselves from drunken hypoglycemic diabetic fat smoker freeper zombies slackmaster Jul 2012 #95

More info. safeinOhio Jul 2012 #23

So, a gun in an inside-waistband holster was discharged obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #60

Agree. I routinely carry a Glock in an IWB holster .... oldhippie Jul 2012 #78

Possible scenario: PavePusher Jul 2012 #87

That's a whole lot of "iffing" going on rocktivity Jul 2012 #105

IIRC, the term for the action is "freaking". PavePusher Jul 2012 #109

See updates at #123 and 153. PavePusher Jul 2012 #160

Lots of weirdness here for this to be an accident. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #24

Another question: Why did he have a live round in the chamber? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #49

A round in the chamber would be the normal and correct carry method for pistols. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #51

Anyone who knows actual tactics knows the old "quick draw" scenario is a myth Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #52

More ignorance of reality n/t oldhippie Jul 2012 #81

Want "reality"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #124

Are you? Clames Jul 2012 #125

I would if it were in area. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #133

You are the one suggesting "quick draw". ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #83

Actually, the training I had was as a union security guard in the 70s Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #113

You suggestion deserved the reaction... Clames Jul 2012 #127

We rail about the militarization of the police Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #132

None of that has anything to do with this subject... Clames Jul 2012 #143

Sure it does Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #162

Paul Blart, is that you? rl6214 Jul 2012 #195

Do I really have to keep defending the union HERE of all places? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #196

Who said anything about union? rl6214 Jul 2012 #212

Yup. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #213

FBI stats state that most gunfights take place MicaelS Jul 2012 #88

Oh yeah? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #126

Are you familiar with the Tueller drill? sarisataka Jul 2012 #130

Oh, I see. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #135

Has there never been a violent fight at a party? sarisataka Jul 2012 #142

Thank you! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #150

None of the previous replys were attacks. PavePusher Jul 2012 #157

A few were. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #163

De nada sarisataka Jul 2012 #159

Not cover, but concealment. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #145

Don't cop cars have panels in the doors? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #151

Usually not. PavePusher Jul 2012 #158

Maybe the CHP has them as we see a LOT of police persuits on TV Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #165

They aren't being used as "shields" but as camoflauge. PavePusher Jul 2012 #167

Better than nothing sarisataka Jul 2012 #168

A car is NOT "cover". PavePusher Jul 2012 #156

Considering I've seen what an Uzi can do to concrete block Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #169

Such ignorance. Clames Jul 2012 #96

And as we all know, it's a war zone out there. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #128

Far closer than any mall-cop/security guard will get for certain. Clames Jul 2012 #131

"conditioning"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #137

Yes... Clames Jul 2012 #144

I'm NOT putting up my training to a cop Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #152

ORLY? HALO141 Jul 2012 #110

I talk off duty cop at a 25 year old woman's birthday party and you talk war Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #129

On the contrary, HALO141 Jul 2012 #138

The gun went off as a result of a hug. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #141

That's the story they're trying to sell ... oldhippie Jul 2012 #147

Something about this story stinks. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #170

Handguns DON'T "just go off." TheWraith Jul 2012 #172

Handguns DON'T "just go off." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #178

Sorry if I was overly harsh. TheWraith Jul 2012 #180

There's a lot of people out there Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #181

Reading your post again Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #179

Of course that's not normal. HALO141 Jul 2012 #182

Background we both know you don't Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #184

"What the hell is wrong with..." HALO141 Jul 2012 #188

I give up. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #189

OK, then. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #190

BTW: thanks for making my point for me. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #191

Pretty sure I didn't do that... Whatever it was. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #199

Sure you did. In two ways. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #200

Then clarify. HALO141 Jul 2012 #201

You just did it again on one of the points. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #202

If you will not be specific HALO141 Jul 2012 #203

There it is again. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #204

OK. HALO141 Jul 2012 #205

Would it kill you to read what I wrote? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #207

I did read it. HALO141 Jul 2012 #208

Wrong. What I was saying is this idiot might have been the type Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #209

At the moment we don't have any information to that effect. HALO141 Jul 2012 #210

The article said the gun went off from being hugged from behind. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #211

That is totally normal obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #61

Those pistols that do that may need some springs replaced. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #149

See #87. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #90

Picture here doesn't make sense. caseymoz Jul 2012 #26

Strange unless it was some POS holster & the gun fell to the floor... Historic NY Jul 2012 #30

Modern firearms cannot go off by being dropped. TheWraith Jul 2012 #40

Dropping a gun doesn't make it go off obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #62

See #87. PavePusher Jul 2012 #92

Was it in a "shoulder holster?" haele Jul 2012 #32

No -- inside-waistband holster obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #63

Detroit Police are issue the S&W M&P40 in .40S&W. Clames Jul 2012 #35

THAT is a weird story. eom tawadi Jul 2012 #44

So, the off-duty officer brought his gun to a party. crim son Jul 2012 #64

In our local department, officers are required ...... oldhippie Jul 2012 #80

He was hosting the party at his house. Clames Jul 2012 #86

The officer was the HOST of the party rocktivity Jul 2012 #93

Actually, in most cases it's required. TheWraith Jul 2012 #107

If this is accurate, then I think I can imagine how it must have happened. Ian David Jul 2012 #70

The physics of what you suggest do not work. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #84

See #87. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #94

This story is fishy Aerows Jul 2012 #82

Upside down holster? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2012 #91

According to the Detroit Free Press rocktivity Jul 2012 #97

Many IWB holsters are leather and not particularly tight. PavePusher Jul 2012 #111

My leather IWB holsters are all tight ... oldhippie Jul 2012 #139

See #123. I'm gussing a cheap Uncle Mike's neoprene-ish piece'o'junk. PavePusher Jul 2012 #153

I have 2 Uncle Mikes IWB sarisataka Jul 2012 #161

Too late for a gunpowder residue test. Tejas Jul 2012 #102

.....on everyone present. Tejas Jul 2012 #104

we often poke fun at the stupidity of the American public... until it encroaches on our sacred cows. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author tru Jul 2012 #116

A bit more info sarisataka Jul 2012 #123

This is useless without pictures JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2012 #136

Like I said a POS holster...most likely a deer skin or a one size fits all.... Historic NY Jul 2012 #146

Jeez, if everybody owns a gun, even people who do things safely --will we be any safer? CreekDog Jul 2012 #154

Who's advocating that everyone own a gun? PavePusher Jul 2012 #155

I didn't say that? Apparently while chiding me over accuracy, you didn't even read what i said CreekDog Jul 2012 #166

It doesn't pay to hug gun people--or even be around them. Scary! nt valerief Jul 2012 #171

Ri-i-i-i-i-ght..... PavePusher Jul 2012 #173

Yep. Guns kill people all the time! nt valerief Jul 2012 #174

Not like that, yhey don't. nt HALO141 Jul 2012 #183

Guns don't kill people, hugs do. n/t JusticeForAll Jul 2012 #186

So don't hug gun owners. boppers Jul 2012 #187

Update from Free Press Crabby Appleton Jul 2012 #193

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