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70. A weak attempt at framing my citations of actual history.

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 06:15 PM

Dec 2016

Two states were established in historic Palestine.

Since 1948, one of those states has been stealing land from the other. And settling its own citizens on that stolen land. And refusing to cede control of that stolen land.

I will give you one guess as to which state it is.

(Hint: it is not Palestine.)

As to the Israeli left, no matter which party is in power, the land theft and occupation continue.

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Israel has reportedly suspended ties with 12 UN Security Council nations [View all] octoberlib Dec 2016 OP

quite the temper tantrum.... dhill926 Dec 2016 #1

Israeli pols are so used to getting their way on the UNSC thanks to their FWB, America Jake Stern Dec 2016 #5

US is not on that list HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #2

bite the hand that feeds you is a no no nt msongs Dec 2016 #3

Facts! NWCorona Dec 2016 #26

The 3 remaining GP6971 Dec 2016 #24

How many of these give aid/support to Israel? hlthe2b Dec 2016 #4

Hey, it works for his buddy trump elmac Dec 2016 #28

Doubt it. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #59

None oberliner Dec 2016 #75

All the Israeli Government has to do is quit stealing Palestinian and Syrian land, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #6

1967 borders are a non-starter hack89 Dec 2016 #20

Where under International Law do we find the concept that a country can seize and keep guillaumeb Dec 2016 #21

The real discussion is the 1949 Green Line Lithos Dec 2016 #27

Characterizing a reference to International Law as "making an emotional argument" guillaumeb Dec 2016 #46

It is common Lithos Dec 2016 #80

Nasty set of demographics well characterizes the entire Israel/Palestine situation. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #90

Which "certain Europeans" Lithos Dec 2016 #112

Given how the Jews have been historically treated guillaumeb Dec 2016 #116

Interesting Lithos Dec 2016 #120

I agree that anti-Semitism has been an unfortunate constant in Europe. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #121

When several of your neighboring countries invade you and get their asses kicked Calista241 Dec 2016 #41

The 1967 war was started by Israel. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #47

That is definitely not true oberliner Dec 2016 #82

Which is a tacit admittance that, yes, the Israeli Government started the 1967 war. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #92

No oberliner Dec 2016 #95

What a rewrite of history... former9thward Dec 2016 #43

Kick Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #44

The Israeli State has been re-writing history snce 1946. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #48

A guess your idea that "many Americans" agree with you is comforting. former9thward Dec 2016 #50

I was referring to those Americans who accept the consensus history guillaumeb Dec 2016 #51

You can try and deflect and make this some GOP thing. former9thward Dec 2016 #53

My response remains as it is. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #55

What country did Israel seize the West Bank from? oberliner Dec 2016 #74

The respective borders of Israel and Palestine were established by the guillaumeb Dec 2016 #78

No they weren't oberliner Dec 2016 #81

European colonialists set borders all over the Middle East and in Africa, and in South America. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #91

Interesting that you find borders set by "European colonialists" to be legitimate and binding oberliner Dec 2016 #96

Not at all. I was responding to your "amazement" over the idea that Europeans guillaumeb Dec 2016 #97

No amazement, just a correction of your inaccurate info oberliner Dec 2016 #98

European colonial powers set borders that are still recognized. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #99

At no point was the UN Partition plan implemented oberliner Dec 2016 #100

The UN Partition Plan was an attempt by the UN to unilaterally "solve" the problem guillaumeb Dec 2016 #103

That is not what happened oberliner Dec 2016 #104

Jordan ruled in the West bank until 1967 pfitz59 Dec 2016 #83

Why did Jordan rule the West Bank? oberliner Dec 2016 #88

Ok then... DRoseDARs Dec 2016 #7

Exactly how does Netanyahu think this is productive? Eugene Dec 2016 #8

He doesn't tenorly Dec 2016 #16

Bibi is trying to prevent more damage before Trump comes in... shira Dec 2016 #37

Bibi is a consistent liar, but on one point, he told a partial truth. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #49

There wouldn't be a Palestinian state if Rabin lived. shira Dec 2016 #52

The opinion you expressed is contrary to actual history. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #54

Rabin's last speech in 1995 is proof he would do no better than Bibi... shira Dec 2016 #65

Ah yes, the "Rabin alternative". guillaumeb Dec 2016 #66

Other than the Israeli Left, is there another nation's Left you oppose? shira Dec 2016 #68

A weak attempt at framing my citations of actual history. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #70

History? 2 states were never established. shira Dec 2016 #84

Two states were established by UN fiat. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #93

When? The answer is never. This proves u know nothing about I/P. shira Dec 2016 #107

All of this is an attempt by you to deflect from the fact that guillaumeb Dec 2016 #108

The Palestinian "govt" has done NOTHING for peace. Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #56

In reality, it is the Israeli Government that is actually occupying Palestine. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #58

In reality, the Palestinians have said 'No' to every offer of 2 states... shira Dec 2016 #62

Ignore what you cannot explain away. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #64

So it turns out you're against 2 states. How hypocritical... shira Dec 2016 #67

There were two states established. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #69

Two states were never established. The Palestinians rejected it because... shira Dec 2016 #86

The Palestinians can do no wrong according to the Israel haters. n/t shira Dec 2016 #63

Seems that way. Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #71

And the Israelis can do no wrong according to the Palestine haters? eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #72

What have the Palestinians done wrong since 1947? Anything? n/t shira Dec 2016 #85

I will take your non-response as an admission that facts are not on your side. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #94

Compare what Israel has done vs. what Palestinians have done for peace... shira Dec 2016 #114

Dealing with your chart in order: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #118

Hard to deny that chart, isn't it? shira Dec 2016 #122

The PA Should have taken the deal and Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #119

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #123

Trump will create more damage once he is in karynnj Dec 2016 #73

I hope their response is to completely ignore him. OregonBlue Dec 2016 #9

Fine with me. Blue Idaho Dec 2016 #10

Whhhaaaaaaaaaa MFM008 Dec 2016 #11

Awwww, poor delicate little snowflakes 47of74 Dec 2016 #12

Why doesn't Israel come right out and say it won't honor the 1967 borders? SunSeeker Dec 2016 #13

People of Earth, your God-King is angry with you. nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #14

Netanyahu is chanelling his inner Donald Trump lunatica Dec 2016 #15

Israel wants Iran gone. okasha Dec 2016 #17

The UN has outlived it's usefulness hack89 Dec 2016 #18

Exactly Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #36

Truth. n/t shira Dec 2016 #38

What a little pissant of a human madokie Dec 2016 #19

Israel just BDS'd itself. Luminous_Animal Dec 2016 #22

Israel has a great many dual citizens with votes, money and influence HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #23

So it's everyone else's fault? Kind of like Trump. adigal Dec 2016 #25

What does Israel export that those countries cannot get from other countries, or angstlessk Dec 2016 #29

From Russia? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #30

how will trump decide between putin and netanyahu JI7 Dec 2016 #32

Follow the money for your answer alfredo Dec 2016 #35

Well, much like the USA elmac Dec 2016 #31

Britain, France, Russia, China, Japan. . .Bibi, let me put it this way Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #33

Jewish PM's in Ukraine and New Zealand are not buying Bibi's bullshit. Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #34

What are you talking about? oberliner Dec 2016 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #39

Neologism zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #40

Well if Hamas is happy.... Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #42

Being against the unfair and illegal actions of Israeli Govt is not "Jew Hatred" Lil Missy Dec 2016 #57

But calling on children to kill Jews is Jew hatred oberliner Dec 2016 #89

Oh FFS, that's not what this thread is about and not what I was responding to. IF you Lil Missy Dec 2016 #111

Fair enough oberliner Dec 2016 #135

It's the curse that keeps on giving. Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #136

All they have to do is .............. BunkieBandit Dec 2016 #106

What I'm saying is simple, Lil Missy Dec 2016 #113

What you're saying is wrong. Compare Israeli actions for peace vs. Palestinian... shira Dec 2016 #115

That is bullshit. AND Has Nothing to do with the OP. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #117

Totally true. See #122 above... shira Dec 2016 #124

Netanyahu sounds like Trump Nancy Waterman Dec 2016 #45

Bibi is having a temper tantrum Gothmog Dec 2016 #60

Where are they getting their advice from? Trump? That's monumentally stupid. Squinch Dec 2016 #61

Ol Donny will talk things up in the club Roland99 Dec 2016 #77

Great way to isolate your country, Bibi Warpy Dec 2016 #79

Yet another right wing asshole having a temper tantrum harun Dec 2016 #87

I almost wish they would suspend relations with us. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #101

Wow, the vote was 14-0 against you Bibi. louis-t Dec 2016 #102

Bibi called the Whaaambulance jpak Dec 2016 #105

It sure would be nice if the PA ... Rustyeye77 Dec 2016 #109

It sure would be nice if the guillaumeb Dec 2016 #110

If Israel were holding out for all Palestine, why withdraw from Gaza? shira Dec 2016 #125

Gaza is an open air prison, with Israeli limited and controlled access. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #127

You didn't answer. Why agree to the Clinton Parameters? Why Olmert's offer? shira Dec 2016 #128

Israel is "out of Gaza" in the sense that a master can be outside of the animal pen. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #129

There's not 1 Jew left in Gaza. And you haven't answered the question. n/t shira Dec 2016 #130

Gaza is the prison. The jailer are outside. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #131

Sigh. There was no blockade until Hamas fired rockets. This is a waste of time. n/t shira Dec 2016 #132

Gaza was designed to be a prison. A controlled access prison. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #133

Well, at least they are denying themselves Turbineguy Dec 2016 #126

It's going to be mighty lonely out there in the desert Blue Idaho Dec 2016 #134