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In reply to the discussion: New bill could force states to allow visiting gun owners to pack heat without a permit [View all]needledriver
(836 posts)44. You say so right here:
Whether you like it or not, the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms
You said that. You. You yourself. In your own words. In post #22. You even doubled down:
It is NOT one example. One can't pick and choose what sections to apply, the entire context applies.
Now, you keep using the word "delusional". Do you know what that word really means? Do you need help?
"Characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder"
Here is an idiosyncratic belief that is contraindicated by reality: the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms.
That the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms is not a fact, it is your opinion. Please read the actual legal opinion from people who do this for a living that I linked to above. I do not believe that the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms. You do. I am not the one claiming that you must be in a militia to keep and bear arms. You are. I am not the one claiming that the only justification for bearing arms is service in the militia because that is the only example given in the Constitution. You are! So, in the hypothetical situation that you present; that militia service is the only Constitutional justification to keep and bear arms, I simply pointed out that your idiosyncratic interpretation of the 2nd amendment requires that the people keep and bear arms suitable for militia service, which these days are fully automatic select fire weapons. I agree with you that it is a ridiculous argument, but it is not mine - it is yours!
Once you get over the delusion that the militia clause applies to the entire context of the 2nd amendment, you are left with the operative clause: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". That means exactly what it says: the people have the right to keep and bear arms. That right is not limited to militia service. The people have the right to keep and bear arms for any lawful purpose. That right is subject to reasonable limitation - just like every other right in the Constitution! Free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to keep and bear arms - ALL of these are subject to limitation! What makes you think that I lust after absolute freedom from regulation? I am not some caricature of a gun humping Joe Gunwanker. I respect that the right to keep and bear arms is a sober and serious responsibility, and like every other right must be exercised with caution and judgment and an awareness of the context in which it will be used.
Which brings us all the way back to the OP. If a person has passed the tests and training and has been licensed to concealed carry in their home state, why shouldn't they be allowed to concealed carry in other states? Why is the right to keep and bear arms not uniformly regulated throughout the entire United States?
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New bill could force states to allow visiting gun owners to pack heat without a permit [View all]
Judi Lynn
Jan 2017
OP
Talk about abusing full faith and credit. Taney did this with his logic in Dred Scott
Feeling the Bern
Jan 2017
#1
exactly my thoughts. They preach states right whenever they want to discriminate against people's
still_one
Jan 2017
#7
Aye, this would totally conflict with letting states make their own decisions but then
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#21
Yeah. An alien civilization would need to invest in transmission power...
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#58
LOL. I've sometimes wondered if there's advanced civilizations that evolved...
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#59
By this argument, you should be allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater
McCamy Taylor
Jan 2017
#12
Whether you like it or not, the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms
Thor_MN
Jan 2017
#22
You are so scattered in your thoughts, it's like trying to keep up with Trump's scandals.
Thor_MN
Jan 2017
#45
You seem to think that the constitution and/or BoR grants rights, or sets the limits.
X_Digger
Jan 2017
#54
It's much easier to move to a trigger-friendly state than it is to acquire a Faberg egg...
LanternWaste
Jan 2017
#55
So much for pro "state's rights". R's are such flaming hypocrites it makes me sick. n/t
Binkie The Clown
Jan 2017
#15
What about marijuana? Can that be purchased in Colorado and be legal everywhere?
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#23
They want to make sure their brownshirts can shoot people all over the country when they complete
world wide wally
Jan 2017
#19
Current LE can carry on their badge, side gigs, private security, business carry, etc
HoneyBadger
Jan 2017
#38
The NRA Republicans will not be happy until firearms are allowed in every public space
LanternWaste
Jan 2017
#61