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needledriver

(836 posts)
44. You say so right here:
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jan 2017
Whether you like it or not, the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms


You said that. You. You yourself. In your own words. In post #22. You even doubled down:

It is NOT one example. One can't pick and choose what sections to apply, the entire context applies.


Now, you keep using the word "delusional". Do you know what that word really means? Do you need help?

"Characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder"

Here is an idiosyncratic belief that is contraindicated by reality: the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms.

That the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms is not a fact, it is your opinion. Please read the actual legal opinion from people who do this for a living that I linked to above. I do not believe that the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms. You do. I am not the one claiming that you must be in a militia to keep and bear arms. You are. I am not the one claiming that the only justification for bearing arms is service in the militia because that is the only example given in the Constitution. You are! So, in the hypothetical situation that you present; that militia service is the only Constitutional justification to keep and bear arms, I simply pointed out that your idiosyncratic interpretation of the 2nd amendment requires that the people keep and bear arms suitable for militia service, which these days are fully automatic select fire weapons. I agree with you that it is a ridiculous argument, but it is not mine - it is yours!

Once you get over the delusion that the militia clause applies to the entire context of the 2nd amendment, you are left with the operative clause: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". That means exactly what it says: the people have the right to keep and bear arms. That right is not limited to militia service. The people have the right to keep and bear arms for any lawful purpose. That right is subject to reasonable limitation - just like every other right in the Constitution! Free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to keep and bear arms - ALL of these are subject to limitation! What makes you think that I lust after absolute freedom from regulation? I am not some caricature of a gun humping Joe Gunwanker. I respect that the right to keep and bear arms is a sober and serious responsibility, and like every other right must be exercised with caution and judgment and an awareness of the context in which it will be used.

Which brings us all the way back to the OP. If a person has passed the tests and training and has been licensed to concealed carry in their home state, why shouldn't they be allowed to concealed carry in other states? Why is the right to keep and bear arms not uniformly regulated throughout the entire United States?

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Talk about abusing full faith and credit. Taney did this with his logic in Dred Scott Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #1
The NRA strikes again. Soon we will all be required to own and Merlot Jan 2017 #2
States rights! What about states rights? HassleCat Jan 2017 #3
exactly my thoughts. They preach states right whenever they want to discriminate against people's still_one Jan 2017 #7
Aye, this would totally conflict with letting states make their own decisions but then cstanleytech Jan 2017 #21
More ..."or what?" Sadly. N/t Guilded Lilly Jan 2017 #27
Proving once again Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #34
Seriously, WTF! smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #62
I heard a theory somewhere... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #4
Maybe, but there's many other possibilities too. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #20
And isn't there an inverse square law? Dave Starsky Jan 2017 #57
Yeah. An alien civilization would need to invest in transmission power... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #58
Also... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #60
Stanislaw Lem wrote a great short story invoking this. Dave Starsky Jan 2017 #56
LOL. I've sometimes wondered if there's advanced civilizations that evolved... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #59
I, for one, think that we have achieved what we have through love. Dave Starsky Jan 2017 #63
It will take love and cooperation to save humanity... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #64
Is this that, "small Federal government" the the GOP always spoke of? Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #5
Oh... this will be helpful Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #6
Well I guess my medical cannabis is good anywhere waddirum Jan 2017 #8
Yes, because you have a right to the pursuit of happiness. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #13
Great. More shit from the gun industry. The NRA has to go. Initech Jan 2017 #9
What part of constitutional right don't you understand? needledriver Jan 2017 #10
By this argument, you should be allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #12
You can yell fire in a crowded theater needledriver Jan 2017 #16
What part of a "militia" don't you understand? I don't think the 2nd amendment pnwmom Jan 2017 #14
The militia, regular and irregular, are private individuals, branford Jan 2017 #17
Whether you think it or not needledriver Jan 2017 #18
Whether you like it or not, the militia clause applies to all of the right to keep and bear arms Thor_MN Jan 2017 #22
The Constitution, particularly the 2nd Amendment... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #26
So... we should all be allowed to own bazookas? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #24
Don't ask me! needledriver Jan 2017 #33
Since you didn't dare reply directly to me, I'll have to answer your here Thor_MN Jan 2017 #39
Did you read your own post? needledriver Jan 2017 #40
You presume that a militia is necessary in this day of a standing military Thor_MN Jan 2017 #41
Why do you presume that I so assume? needledriver Jan 2017 #42
No, you do not get to define what I have said. Thor_MN Jan 2017 #43
You say so right here: needledriver Jan 2017 #44
You are so scattered in your thoughts, it's like trying to keep up with Trump's scandals. Thor_MN Jan 2017 #45
You seem to think that the constitution and/or BoR grants rights, or sets the limits. X_Digger Jan 2017 #54
Kansas does not require a license or permit to conceal carry jhasp Jan 2017 #47
Thanks for the update. needledriver Jan 2017 #53
It's much easier to move to a trigger-friendly state than it is to acquire a Faberg egg... LanternWaste Jan 2017 #55
Good grief! It's a law to enable hitmen to conduct business more easily. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #11
So much for pro "state's rights". R's are such flaming hypocrites it makes me sick. n/t Binkie The Clown Jan 2017 #15
What about marijuana? Can that be purchased in Colorado and be legal everywhere? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #23
There was a need for driver's licenses billh58 Jan 2017 #28
re: "There was a need for driver's licenses" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #46
They want to make sure their brownshirts can shoot people all over the country when they complete world wide wally Jan 2017 #19
Good idea because we're not afraid enough in this country. Vinca Jan 2017 #25
I'm Ok with it CWV Jan 2017 #29
They could carry in any state HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #30
I feel fairly safe here in New York .... rickford66 Jan 2017 #31
NY is concealed carry only HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #32
And only the 1% can afford the permit. n/t oneshooter Jan 2017 #35
There should be no need for a permit DonnaRx7 Jan 2017 #50
Scalia said differently. Hoyt Jan 2017 #51
I gave referrals for two friends who wanted pistol permits. rickford66 Jan 2017 #36
I feel safer here than other places I've traveled for pleasure and work. rickford66 Jan 2017 #37
Current LE can carry on their badge, side gigs, private security, business carry, etc HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #38
Ohforcryingoutloud... calimary Jan 2017 #48
IT is about time DonnaRx7 Jan 2017 #49
thanks Judi saidsimplesimon Jan 2017 #52
The NRA Republicans will not be happy until firearms are allowed in every public space LanternWaste Jan 2017 #61
I thought "states rights" was the gunner rallying cry for 25 years?? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #65
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