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Jeff In Milwaukee

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159. While it's far too late...

Sat Jul 14, 2012, 12:29 PM

Jul 2012

The whole Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun debate has already erupted, but it really should be noted that this isn't about guns. It's about campaign finance, and the fact the the NRA is weighing in on an issue that doesn't involve the Second Amendment but does, in fact, provide aid and comfort to the Republican Party is worth noting.

I've said for years that the NRA is not a gun rights organization. It's a gun industry lobbying organization. They've lobbied against making guns safer and more traceable (which hurts the corporate bottom line) and in favor of allowing guns to be sold in whatever venue and to whomever might happen to want to purchase one (which improves sales). Neither of these issues has an impact whatsoever on me, a hunter and owner of multiple firearms.

In fact, there's nothing the NRA has EVER done legislatively that provided even the slightest benefit to me as a gun owner. So their latest foray into electoral politics comes as no surprise. If the NRA comes out tomorrow in favor of banning abortion, it won't surprise me a bit.

They're simply an all-purpose, right-wing lobbying group.

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EXCLUSIVE: NRA Threatens Senators Who Support Campaign Finance Disclosure [View all] kpete Jul 2012 OP

Ain't it funny that the RW demands citizens have photo ids and present them sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #1

+1 000 000 000 - hypocrisy is the name of the RW game. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #27

Excellent point!! Nancy Waterman Jul 2012 #33

! Bozita Jul 2012 #56

Oh, yes Canuckistanian Jul 2012 #95

nice observation.... lostnote12 Jul 2012 #103

. myrna minx Jul 2012 #117

Arguably, the text of the Twenty-Sixth Amendment leaves the door open for positive identification... PavePusher Jul 2012 #162

I agree permatex Jul 2012 #163

Uh-OH! MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #167

Sure looks like the NRA is trying to run the Country trumad Jul 2012 #2

also appears they're trying to collect a nationwide "militia" for coups and such wordpix Jul 2012 #7

Yes, something like this siligut Jul 2012 #109

NRA membership is a small fraction of America's gun owners hack89 Jul 2012 #165

purely observation wordpix Aug 2012 #174

Well... if not run it... MrMickeysMom Jul 2012 #168

And we thought we got rid of organize crime liberal N proud Jul 2012 #3

All the coward blue dogs boomerbust Jul 2012 #4

Sounds like the NRA has something to hide. brentspeak Jul 2012 #5

No more than the ACLU permatex Jul 2012 #122

Is the ACLU also threatening to "take down" senators who vote for the Disclose Act? brentspeak Jul 2012 #137

Your predictions suck, don't buy lottery tickets. permatex Jul 2012 #139

Who in Congress is lobbied by the ACLU? brentspeak Jul 2012 #169

Oh don't give me this crap permatex Jul 2012 #170

The National Republican Association painting 'targets' on those friendly to openness? onehandle Jul 2012 #6

Amazing - the NRA and the ACLU agree on something. hack89 Jul 2012 #8

Damn, that's amazing. nt NickB79 Jul 2012 #11

So atreides1 Jul 2012 #23

The ACLU agrees with Citizens United hack89 Jul 2012 #25

The average American, including myself, does not understand how throwing money around xtraxritical Jul 2012 #42

I agree. Just pointing out what the ACLU thinks. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #44

I've always greatly admired the ACLU but this time I'm speachless. I just don't see their point. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #90

I'd like to point out how the NRA thinks. safeinOhio Jul 2012 #93

So Ted Nugent is a douche - is it a big shock? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #94

Does that make the membership that safeinOhio Jul 2012 #115

Go ask them. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #125

WTF? CU is free speech and disclosing donors is not free speech? ACLU, consider this donor wordpix Jul 2012 #128

apparently, ACLU has been taken over by the Reich Wing wordpix Jul 2012 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #9

By that standard any group is a terrorist organization. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #15

Ok - so you simply render the term "terrorist" meaningless hack89 Jul 2012 #16

NRA's board of directors and leaders sure look like a bunch of terrorists to me. Hoyt Jul 2012 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #43

No - that's just your irrational paranoia. hack89 Jul 2012 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #53

So the end result of the NRA's agenda has been what exactly? hack89 Jul 2012 #58

More unstable people armed with guns and fewer things stopping them CreekDog Jul 2012 #72

And yet crime levels are falling permatex Jul 2012 #73

the reasons are many & complex, but usually have to do with community policing & social programs wordpix Jul 2012 #101

Let me rephrase my statement. permatex Jul 2012 #105

And this has created more shootings and deaths .... oh wait. hack89 Jul 2012 #74

fearing a gun is rational CreekDog Jul 2012 #75

I don't fear firearms. permatex Jul 2012 #76

snooze CreekDog Jul 2012 #77

Hey, fear them if thats what floats your boat permatex Jul 2012 #79

why do you take offense at the simple word choice about an inanimate object? CreekDog Jul 2012 #80

I'm not taking offense over a simple word, all I said was why would someone fear an permatex Jul 2012 #81

Your concern suggests you do care CreekDog Jul 2012 #82

where did I say I care? permatex Jul 2012 #83

So now we go to the personal attacks hack89 Jul 2012 #84

Yes, I am safer and I don't have a gun CreekDog Jul 2012 #85

Fortunately California is coming around hack89 Jul 2012 #86

look, you care about guns and tax cuts way more than i do CreekDog Jul 2012 #87

I don't support tax cuts hack89 Jul 2012 #88

You're supporting a republican thug organization DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #150

Just a pro-RKBA Democrat hack89 Jul 2012 #151

Here we go again bongbong Jul 2012 #96

You are the liar hack89 Jul 2012 #98

I'll second what hack said. permatex Jul 2012 #106

Most anti gun zealots I've seen here resort to making up names, usually pretty juvenile ones at that rl6214 Jul 2012 #110

H/she ain't going to put up some real facts permatex Jul 2012 #123

They willingly pump guns into the economy and don't care who they are arming. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #45

And the result of all those guns is what exactly? hack89 Jul 2012 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #55

There has been a 50 percent decrease in murder and manslaughter deaths since 1991 hack89 Jul 2012 #62

again, the drop in these crimes has more to do with increased community policing than with more guns wordpix Jul 2012 #102

Never said that more guns were the cause hack89 Jul 2012 #127

I'm not sure the drop in crime relates to violent crimes with deadly weapons wordpix Jul 2012 #130

Not a problem - lets look at murder, manslaughter, assaults and robbery hack89 Jul 2012 #132

most urban public schools now have social workers & after-school programs. Special ed also wordpix Aug 2012 #175

Are you kidding? I suggest you take the time to view Bowling for Columbine. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #91

I would rather look at real DOJ crime statistics. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #92

You've been corrected many times bongbong Jul 2012 #97

You are the liar. hack89 Jul 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author permatex Jul 2012 #107

The NRA does NOT have a license to sell guns so please provide a link rl6214 Jul 2012 #111

He didn't do that either. He said he thinks the NRA should be classified as Tunkamerica Jul 2012 #113

So surely you can prove your statement with a link permatex Jul 2012 #124

did you misread my response? Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #171

Except nothing the NRA has done fits any accepted definition of terrorism hack89 Jul 2012 #129

Why? permatex Jul 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #14

Who. permatex Jul 2012 #17

Look at their leadership -- Norquist, John Bolton, Ollie North, Teddy Nugent, Chuck Norris, Barr, Hoyt Jul 2012 #20

They are dicks for sure permatex Jul 2012 #21

Literary and political license. Besides, the lethal weapons and laws they promote enable terrorists. Hoyt Jul 2012 #24

So tell me again permatex Jul 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #36

Links please permatex Jul 2012 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #48

Here's how it works permatex Jul 2012 #61

They arm anyone without regard, they intimadate our legislature, they are terrorists. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #47

they arm anyone without regard. permatex Jul 2012 #78

The NRA cannot legally sell firearms so how are they arming anyone? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #133

All I see here is a man holding a perfectly legal .50 cal. Barrett rifle. permatex Jul 2012 #28

why donquijoterocket Jul 2012 #30

Why shouldn't they be legal? permatex Jul 2012 #31

Need to turn that question around hack89 Jul 2012 #40

Google Laurel Canyon B of A robbery. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #49

So? Not a single mention of a .50 cal rifle. hack89 Jul 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #64

So you support citizens having to justify to the government the exercise of their rights? hack89 Jul 2012 #66

A Barrett is designed to kill as many as possible in a short time? permatex Jul 2012 #70

Today's Catch 22 ought to be: If one has really gotta have one for these things, they can't Hoyt Jul 2012 #138

And you can prove this? permatex Jul 2012 #140

Yes, I can. Let's start by you telling us why you want one of these things, and why you think Hoyt Jul 2012 #142

Ok I'll play your little game for now permatex Jul 2012 #143

Winner! smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #37

I, again, went to the NRA website and, again, couldn't find anything like you claim. permatex Jul 2012 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #59

So in other words permatex Jul 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #67

So, again, in other words, permatex Jul 2012 #69

Yeah, I've seen all of those news articles about the burglaries using .50 cals. rl6214 Jul 2012 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #35

How do they inspire more hatred and violence then, say, Al Queda? permatex Jul 2012 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #116

Do you have any idea how inaccurate the so called terrorist watch list is? permatex Jul 2012 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #118

And that means what? permatex Jul 2012 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #144

So in other words permatex Jul 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #147

Your using the terror watch list, which BTW, has been condemned by all civil rights groups, permatex Jul 2012 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #156

Back atcha permatex Jul 2012 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #119

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they feed terror and divisiveness against Americans themselves fascisthunter Jul 2012 #149

Then I.m sure you've reported them to the FBI, amiright? permatex Jul 2012 #152

hahaha... keep lobbying for them fascisthunter Jul 2012 #155

Their day is numbered? permatex Jul 2012 #160

Yet unions have to ensure all members support the union's position, if these GOP Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #10

K&R n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2012 #18

If money is speech Mz Pip Jul 2012 #22

"we strongly support corruption of our elections and voter suppression" librechik Jul 2012 #29

So it seems the NRA is pretty much the teabag militia. . .n/t annabanana Jul 2012 #32

Yep 47of74 Jul 2012 #34

Good thing there are more non-NRA gun owners then NRA members hack89 Jul 2012 #41

At least the RWers aren't phoning in death threats like they did during the "immigration debate" Kolesar Jul 2012 #38

Are you saying the NRA encouraged that? permatex Jul 2012 #68

Oh, yeah, the NRA is a-gunnin' for ya. I know their current president. DFW Jul 2012 #39

Tell it DFW, amen. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #52

If somebody did shit like that during the Bush admin Turbineguy Jul 2012 #60

PING NRA fans from the Gungeon. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #71

be serious Kolesar Jul 2012 #114

Thou doth not liketh Ye Olde Butcherede English? 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #166

The NRA secondvariety Jul 2012 #89

"blatant attack on ... rights [of NRA]" Really? Disclosing donors is freedom of speech! wordpix Jul 2012 #99

Now if CAIR had said something like this... DBoon Jul 2012 #104

I don't get it. The NRA used to be a group for people who believed in Gun ownership. AJTheMan Jul 2012 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author permatex Jul 2012 #135

Interesting article from the WaPo. on NRA dem endorsements for the House races. permatex Jul 2012 #136

I think the NRA's tranformation occured in the early 90s... Odin2005 Jul 2012 #146

No - it was the AWB hack89 Jul 2012 #154

Oh, I forgot about that! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #157

Ironically, it was the gun controllers greatest victory that made the NRA what they are today hack89 Jul 2012 #153

The NRA is going after Republican Debra Maggert from TN Tippy Jul 2012 #141

While it's far too late... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #159

As a hunter permatex Jul 2012 #161

As a hunter Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #164

And The NRA Is Just A Single-Issue Interest Group? Yeah, Right. Paladin Aug 2012 #172