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8. Well, let's look at this great plan
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:36 PM
Jan 2017
They’ve put in all these mandates that say every policy has to have things like pregnancy and dental coverage and all these things, which are great, but they add cost. They put people out of the market.”

So reproductive age women should have to pay extra for insurance? As for dental care, there isn't any in the ACA (other than say like for traumatic injury).

Paul said his plan would “legalize the sale of inexpensive insurance”, adding: “That means getting rid of the Obamacare mandates on what you can buy.”

One of the greatest things about the ACA is that there is standardization of benefits and plans can be compared to each other when shopping. And that there isn't any "junk insurance" on the exchanges.

Whereas before, on the individual market, there was a ton of crap insurance with severe limitations on annual or life-time amounts, and very high or unlimited out of pocket maximums, and so what you had was placebo care. Something that was good if you had an ordinary illness or accident, but nothing that was going to matter if you had like a $200,000+ cancer treatment or coronary bypass etc. (So when a RWer or JPRer tells you about the cheap individual insurance plan (s)he had before the ACA, well, that's exactly what they had -- cheap "insurance&quot .

Also, young healthy people would generally buy the cheap policies, which would raise the cost of the more robust health policies for e.g. middle-aged and older needing serious health insurance.

The senator said his bill would help people with health savings accounts and a tax credit,

The health savings account is just a tax dodge for relatively well-off people who can save significant amounts long-term -- savvy people with money to sock away long-term know that what's best is to pay their health costs from their regular accounts, and to let the money in the HSA's grow with tax-free compounding for decades like a super-IRA (one that combines the best features of a traditional IRA and a Roth IRA). Their tax features are of little help for most people unable to save large amounts long-term.

The tax credits are great however -- that's how the ACA subsidizes insurance for those below 400% of poverty. (Refundable tax credits are a gift that works dollar for dollar regardless of one's income, unlike deductions which benefits higher income people more than lower income people).

but that it would also help insurance companies that he said were losing money.

That's what the risk corridors thingy in the ACA that you fuckheads keep obstructing or refuse to help fix was all about.

He said his legislation would allow small businesses to band together to buy insurance for their employees.

I didn't know the ACA forbade that.

I'm surprised he didn't throw in the perennial RW bromides of "tort reform" and "selling insurance across state lines".

I didn't see anything about pre-existing conditions ... these are the people that have to be sacrificed so that the rest of us can buy "inexpensive insurance"?

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Spoken like a libertarian with WhiteTara Jan 2017 #1
Paul is not a Libertarian ,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jan 2017 #19
Also like one who wouldnt know a clue if it ran up and smacked them right in the face. nt cstanleytech Jan 2017 #21
That's more fucking lies because the jobs they create pay slave wages where onecaliberal Jan 2017 #2
When Reagan was bragging about reducing "unemployment" back in the 1980s.... George II Jan 2017 #5
Eliminating ACA and replacing it with something less modrepub Jan 2017 #17
I am an employer. More needs to be made of this! Blackjackdavey Jan 2017 #29
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #30
Great post! Thank you! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2017 #33
I disagree. cstanleytech Jan 2017 #22
Sanders got it right Rollo Jan 2017 #3
No, they focused more on using Obamacare as a drum to rally their blind followers cstanleytech Jan 2017 #23
Ok ..Republicans we know you read DU so INdemo Jan 2017 #4
Because it was a plan promoted by Democrats and their "black President"... George II Jan 2017 #6
I beieve there were also Republicans in the Congress in 2009 INdemo Jan 2017 #32
Excellent question. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #31
Notice Ryan didn't say anything about decent wages... Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #7
And get by on a never ending stream... Aviation Pro Jan 2017 #10
How much can someone working full time for minimum wage put in a Health Savings Account? Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #20
Well, let's look at this great plan progree Jan 2017 #8
Thanks progree. Good work. n/t mobeau69 Jan 2017 #11
Yes, Republicans want to make sure we have "junk" health insurance again!! riversedge Jan 2017 #14
Bullshit mobeau69 Jan 2017 #9
Rand... Plucketeer Jan 2017 #12
Dont forget the infrastructure spending that the GOP has refused to do that could create cstanleytech Jan 2017 #24
When I saw the headline BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #13
There is no reason why we can't provide food, shelter, clothing and health care to every American. roamer65 Jan 2017 #15
HSA and tax credits? Texin Jan 2017 #16
Tax credits are how the ACA premiums are reduced for those with incomes below 400% of poverty progree Jan 2017 #18
More trickle-down economics: El Mimbreno Jan 2017 #25
The problem with these Randian libertarians Turbineguy Jan 2017 #26
Rand Paul's job faire vlyons Jan 2017 #27
and yet weissmam Jan 2017 #28
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