Angela Merkel intervenes over court ban on circumcision of young boys (in Germany)

[Bonobo]

100. Okay, let me try again.

"My point is that someone living in the united states making the argument that a foreskin collects grime and thusneeds to be lopped off, is either stupid, or filthy. Possibly both, given the admitted lack of foreskin from a person (i.e., how do they know?)
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Sp, in your own words, you were arguing that a DU'er is stupid or filthy. That was what you were trying to do? Not about circumcision, but about showing that a particular DU'er is stupid and filthy? No wonder your circumcision argument is such shit --you aren't really concentrating on the issue.

Now, back to circumcision, you think you have proved that circumcision does not reduce AIDS with the numbers you posted. But that is not true. You tried to show that countries where circumcision is prevalent still has a certain percentage of HIV cases. But if you understood science truly, you would know that proves nothing. If you are interested in actual studies and not simply tossing around meaningless numbers, here's some help for you. It goes into detail about the various studies that have been performed -much more convincing then a lame attempt to attribute causality as you did which was more akin to reading tea leaves.

Experimental evidence was needed to establish a causal relationship between lack of circumcision and HIV, so three randomized controlled trials were commissioned as a means to reduce the effect of any confounding factors. Trials took place in South Africa, Kenya and Uganda. All three trials were stopped early by their monitoring boards on ethical grounds, because those in the circumcised group had a lower rate of HIV contraction than the control group. The results showed that circumcision reduced vaginal-to-penile transmission of HIV by 60%, 53%, and 51%, respectively.

A newer study, published in PLoS in January, 2010, points out that gross changes in the penis's microbiome occurs following circumcision, and this may play a role in protection from HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases.