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23. I'm just going by what the article said and what I've seen and heard in the news over and over
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 11:38 PM
Jul 2012
But the President clearly said, Leave taxation on the top 2 percent (and implicitly on dividends and capital gains) for another day; "Let's agree on what we agree on". 24.8 percent is good enough for now, and let's talk about the "Buffett Rule" later.

You and Bloomberg are jumping ahead from the President's CURRENT tax agenda, on which there's NO Democratic Party "split".


Obama's 2013 budget calls for taxing dividends on the upper earners at the ordinary tax rate (the same as wage and salary "earned" income). Which, with letting the marginal rates on the top two brackets return to the Clinton rates means 39.6% on the top bracket. Plus 3.8% ACA surcharge = 43.4%

The Senate Democratic bill calls for taxing the dividends of upper earners at 20.0% + 3.8% ACA = 23.8%.

That sounds like a split to me.

I don't know where you got an Obama quote about leaving taxation on the top 2% for another day. Obama has clearly and consistently all along wanted the Bush tax cuts on the top 2% to expire, except he has apparently been for having a maximum of 20% maximum rate on dividends until his 2013 budget (which with the 3.8% ACA surcharge would be 23.8%).

I don't know what you mean about the CURRENT tax agenda and some future tax agenda? I guess I'm just not following at all.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-14/senate-democrats-split-from-obama-on-taxing-dividends.html :


The proposed bill would set the basic top rate at 20 percent for both capital gains and dividends. The 2010 health care law included an additional 3.8 percent tax, yielding the 23.8 percent rate. In his 2013 budget, Obama called for taxing dividends as ordinary income, subjecting them to a top rate of 39.6 percent and the 3.8 percent surcharge for a 43.4 percent total.

Obama’s previous budgets had included the 20 percent rate on dividends.

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.... DJ13 Jul 2012 #1
IMO Bloomberg's headline is false. How is the Senate bill a "split" ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #16
I think the "split" is on taxation of the top earners progree Jul 2012 #19
But the President clearly said, Leave taxation on the top 2 percent (and implicitly on ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #22
I'm just going by what the article said and what I've seen and heard in the news over and over progree Jul 2012 #23
Again, here's why a public option was NEVER going to happen! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #2
Thinking as someone who's nearing retirement, I have to disagree with our President. DCKit Jul 2012 #3
Me too, I disagree. Maybe dividends for the big players, like Romney, should be taxed at 40% xtraxritical Jul 2012 #5
The current rate... ensemble Jul 2012 #12
70 K$ taxable income = 89 K$ adjusted gross income progree Jul 2012 #20
You know I used the word dividends when I really meant capital gains, sorry for the confusion. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #21
Both the qualified dividend rate and the LT capital gains rate remain where they are for bottom 98% progree Jul 2012 #24
As Dick Durbin said pscot Jul 2012 #4
...and "Dick The Dick", should know. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #10
Simplify things. All income regardless of source taxed at the rate for that income level. on point Jul 2012 #6
I believe.... ensemble Jul 2012 #11
Where the strange number (23.8%) comes from progree Jul 2012 #7
How many wealthy Senators.... Capt.Rocky300 Jul 2012 #8
exactly heaven05 Jul 2012 #18
Dividends are earned income and should be taxed as such.... WCGreen Jul 2012 #9
Seems more like unearned income to me. eallen Jul 2012 #17
One thing I've noticed... ensemble Jul 2012 #13
Exactly brutus smith Jul 2012 #27
The DINOs strike again DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #14
On that 3.8% surtax to help pay for health care and the high dividend rates - that's on top earners progree Jul 2012 #15
Taxes must go up rks306 Jul 2012 #25
I see the RW talking point about Obama controlling the Senate is still valid ... zbdent Jul 2012 #26
Tax the hell out of it... I'll never have to worry about dividends... nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #28
Politicians tend to over-complicate dividends. Just exempt the 1st $50,000 and tax he rest as 24601 Jul 2012 #29
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