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Hortensis

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Thu Jan 19, 2017, 04:45 PM
Jan 2017

And we know your last statement is true, based on a lot of good, independent data. Most states didn't approach the 38% and 44% (depending on poll) of primary Sanders voters in a coal-country state who had no intention of voting for him or any Democrat in the general, but the % of spoilers was still large on average (though in this case not enough to change the outcome against an overwhelmingly popular leading candidate).

The big worry, like in any nation, is that the far left could be united under a bad leader with the far and strong right to attack the center and take over. That's how democracies die.

As you say, hopefully these huge setbacks will encourage mainstream Democrats to become more "pushy." Our lack of galvanizing energy from fear and hostility toward change and/or those who are different is our great weakness, one not shared by the far left who attack us above all others and the far right and mainstream right who attack us above all others.

We still have our one huge advantage that has allowed us to win out for well over 200 years now: We are the only group that fully believes in the principles this nation was founded on and that genuinely respects the rights of and wants to represent all Americans. As shown by almost 3 million more people voting Democrat even in the relentlessly corrupted and voter-suppressed 2016 election.

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All the delegates from xxqqqzme Jan 2017 #1
Good for them Warpy Jan 2017 #2
maybe you missed it but CA is controlled by dems top bottom - pre-sanders era dems nt msongs Jan 2017 #3
California is run by Democrats. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #10
California is run by Democrats. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #37
Good point Percy Cholmondeley Jan 2017 #42
Can't be much in the way of "election losers" if they're in "power" and Democrats control.... George II Jan 2017 #11
It's likey hard to see thru the veil of the Clinton triumph Plucketeer Jan 2017 #24
Some still find it difficult to admit Sanders has a huge following LakeArenal Jan 2017 #34
You bet! Plucketeer Jan 2017 #43
Well, let's just leave it up to Warpy to weigh in, okay? George II Jan 2017 #45
The Democratic party in CA is anything but stodgy. This is a case of trying to fix pnwmom Jan 2017 #31
Bingo! George II Jan 2017 #46
"something that's not broken." Plucketeer Jan 2017 #47
CA has one of the highest voter rates in US -- more than 75% pnwmom Jan 2017 #48
Hmmmm Plucketeer Jan 2017 #55
Thank you Lebam in LA Jan 2017 #52
Yay! masmdu Jan 2017 #4
Beyond the internal politics, there's an important message here: show up and get involved... brooklynite Jan 2017 #5
Good! There's no time for ordinarily sleepy stuff IronLionZion Jan 2017 #6
95% of the party power goes to those who show up at those kinds of meetings nt geek tragedy Jan 2017 #7
+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #17
Great news! Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #8
You bet. Welcome to DU, Talk Is Cheap. JudyM Jan 2017 #15
Will do - thanks! Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #27
Welcome to DU Plucketeer Jan 2017 #25
The Progressive Slate for CA AD35 won all 14 positions Piedras Jan 2017 #9
So, what are their plans? And are they coordinating with similar groups across the state? We are JudyM Jan 2017 #18
Well, we can't afford California's Democratic Party Hortensis Jan 2017 #12
Perhaps the best thing about this is that, unlike their standard bearer, they're all DEMOCRATS! George II Jan 2017 #13
:) Well, I'm also hoping there'll be something a liiittle Hortensis Jan 2017 #14
The thing is the "far left" only represents about 10-15% of all Democrats*, so they don't.... George II Jan 2017 #19
+1000. Hortensis Jan 2017 #30
About a form of sabotage ... Aimee in OKC Jan 2017 #56
Very interesting story, Aimee. Hortensis Jan 2017 #57
"far left." H-h-h-heh-heh-heh. You mean LBJ? H-h-h-heh-heh-heh. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #40
uh... What the fucking hell? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #16
You sound like you know that they're not doing these things... JudyM Jan 2017 #20
I haven't seen any of them in VA... Just sayin' Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #44
There's a group I read about that recently formed in NOVA if you live around there. JudyM Jan 2017 #54
Nope, I'm in Va. Beach Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #58
Too much work perhaps? George II Jan 2017 #21
I think that's a bit of headline drama. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #22
That's hilarious. murielm99 Jan 2017 #41
correct Skittles Jan 2017 #59
As long as they aren't the same assholes who chanted "Lock her up" at the convention. deurbano Jan 2017 #23
I really don't like the headline of that Hill article. Some just want to sow division in the left. NWCorona Jan 2017 #26
Good I hope they take over all of them jzodda Jan 2017 #28
I hope they move the Ca Primary to March/April. Last election Ca voters were ignored. stuffmatters Jan 2017 #29
plus a gazillion!! MindPilot Jan 2017 #35
How representative are they of California Democrats? Are they mostly white males, pnwmom Jan 2017 #32
7 men and women were newly elected and I think about half or more are minorities NWCorona Jan 2017 #39
Good for them! martigras Jan 2017 #33
My sister's husband, Mexican - American with a lifetime of commitment, NBachers Jan 2017 #36
Things are decided by those who show up. hrmjustin Jan 2017 #38
Can someone tell me the difference between Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #49
WONDERFUL ... I love my state! nt Raine Jan 2017 #50
California primary results: Hillary 53,07 % - B 46,04 % : Sanders lost by 7,03 % or 363 580 votes factfinder_77 Jan 2017 #51
And CA had a 75% turnout in November, and 4 million more went to HRC. pnwmom Jan 2017 #53
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