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tenorly

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11. I was referring to bonds held by private parties (the ones vulture funds bought from resellers).
Wed Feb 8, 2017, 10:53 AM
Feb 2017

They were issued by Argentina; but then sold by their original investors when the country had its own Greek tragedy in 2001 (worse than Greece, even).

The bonds changed hands many times until, in 2008, they were bought from a Caribbean laundry by vulture fundie and GOP bigwig PaulSinger (through his Caymans laundry, NML).

He could have sold them in 2010 and made a bundle given that Argentina had recovered strongly and their value had doubled; but his intention was to sue for an astronomical payout using a yield formula of his own design.

He ultimately got his way - but not really thanks to his pet judge (who then retired to a million-dollar Montana ranch). It was thanks to a narrow election victory by neocon candidate (and Trump friend) Mauricio Macri, who last March coughed up $9 billion to Singer ($2.3 bn) and other vulture funds and minor holdouts.

I figure the GOP and its SuperPACs will probably reap about a 10% of that.

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they have to give Greece debt relief, there's really no other way out of this. geek tragedy Feb 2017 #1
which is easier: melm00se Feb 2017 #5
the former is simpler, the latter is infinitely more practical geek tragedy Feb 2017 #7
Debt restructuring would be the only way out - except that banksters don't like it. tenorly Feb 2017 #10
looking at the breakdown of the Greek bailout melm00se Feb 2017 #15
But as Argentina can tell you, the establishment will gladly use vulture funds (launderers) tenorly Feb 2017 #6
debt held by sovereign states is a different animal than privately held (and transferable) debt nt geek tragedy Feb 2017 #9
I was referring to bonds held by private parties (the ones vulture funds bought from resellers). tenorly Feb 2017 #11
my point was that I don't think there are private bonds at stake geek tragedy Feb 2017 #12
You mean corporate bonds bought by the Greek Gov't. that are no longer performing? tenorly Feb 2017 #13
no, that the debt forgiveness being contemplated here would be by sovereign states geek tragedy Feb 2017 #14
I see - and I wish they would. tenorly Feb 2017 #16
CDS's are someone else's bet, not enforceable against Greece or EU states nt geek tragedy Feb 2017 #17
Not against them directly, no; but they do create great incentive to force a defaut at their expense tenorly Feb 2017 #18
Greece should build a few Trump hotels and get out of debt. nikibatts Feb 2017 #2
Not quite bold enough Tom Rinaldo Feb 2017 #4
the IMF expected Greece to starve it's citizens to pay off their debts... Javaman Feb 2017 #3
My husband and I stumbled onto prime beachfront real estate in the Dominican Republic, in an area secondwind Feb 2017 #8
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