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AngryOldDem

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47. That's why I'm struggling with this.

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 10:51 AM

Jul 2012

A lot of players who had no connection whatsoever with this, or with anyone involved (other than Paterno, and that was a coach-player relationship) are being penalized. Those who are guilty are gone from the school. There was no evidence of any systemic wrongdoing that affected play on the field.

Add to that the damage that will be done to State College businesses that rely on games to generate revenue. And current players, who are basically screwed. Colleges have their rosters set for this season. It's not like PSU players can pick up and find someplace else to play at this late date, unless they want to become walk-ons and have to pay for it, or go to a lower-tier school and do the same. They have to get through this season.

I truly don't know what the best answer is, and it is incredible that all this came about because of one sick and twisted man. Many suffer for the actions of one.

This is my NO means diminishing what the victims and their families went through. But I don't see what true good it does to punish those who are innocent, which is what all this is doing.

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NCAA hands out severe punishment for Penn State [View all] MADem Jul 2012 OP

Appropriate punishment alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #1

Bobby Bowden becomes the Division 1 leader. bluedigger Jul 2012 #6

Dammit! That's what I meant alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #8

direct punishment for Paterno - losing all those wins DrDan Jul 2012 #10

And the most appropriate, I think. bluedigger Jul 2012 #33

I put more blame on those adminstrators DrDan Jul 2012 #41

They were definitely enablers. bluedigger Jul 2012 #49

Blaming the wrong man for the wrong reasons. Eddie Haskell Jul 2012 #54

who is the "wrong man"? DrDan Jul 2012 #58

Well, nice knowing you (not really--never saw you before today). No "wrong man" was blamed. MADem Jul 2012 #62

"I've had it with the DU"... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #108

One of my favorite movies of all time. FarPoint Jul 2012 #151

The greatness of Val Kilmer... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #166

Val Kilmer should of gotten an Oscar. FarPoint Jul 2012 #167

So long. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #135

GOOD. To hell with them. Zero accountability means severe punishment. Amerigo Vespucci Jul 2012 #2

Isn't it named after Sue Paterno? E-Z-B Jul 2012 #5

No. It's the Paterno Library alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #9

I think it is named after both of them. They gave four million to have it built. nt MADem Jul 2012 #13

There are 100,000 volumes of children's literature in the Paterno Library Beowulf Jul 2012 #70

That's called "irony" ... not "mitigation." TahitiNut Jul 2012 #145

I'd monitor the reactions AND the attitudes at PSU over the next 4 years ... TahitiNut Jul 2012 #146

The people paying the price are innocent.(Current and future students, players, and fans.) CANDO Jul 2012 #150

We are not a lynch mob. FarPoint Jul 2012 #153

Apparently CANDO Jul 2012 #156

How teh heck are PSU boosters being "punished" and "lynched"? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #159

Are degrees still being given out? Are classes still ongoing? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #158

"Price"?? What abject, utter nonsense. TahitiNut Jul 2012 #161

The Family Paterno Will Come Unglued over This. CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #3

I think Paterno deserves whatever they punish him with, but he is dead. There is too much morningglory Jul 2012 #22

As a married man... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #110

Wow -- good for the NCAA obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #4

How convenient for the NCAA AngryAmish Jul 2012 #7

There are options. Turn off the TV, go watch a high school game. MADem Jul 2012 #14

I think the vacating of wins is the worst penalty, especially for a school like Penn St. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #25

I agree--they have a bunch of wealthy Rah-Rah football alumni; and the win-grab was like peeing in MADem Jul 2012 #56

Upset much? Oh, and the 60 million is the revenue that the were earning from 1 year of football- snooper2 Jul 2012 #23

What should the fine have been? joeglow3 Jul 2012 #48

I'm not sure a self serving fine would be appropriate AngryAmish Jul 2012 #50

I tend to Agree Iggy Jul 2012 #52

The taking away of wins suggests they were improperly earned. leveymg Jul 2012 #11

Of course they were improperly earned--those two clowns should have been in jail, not coaching. MADem Jul 2012 #64

No argument from me about that. None. Zip. Nyet. leveymg Jul 2012 #69

Probably ignorance, rather than stepping lightly! The JoPa crowd did a good coverup..! nt MADem Jul 2012 #72

Did they really? I read that the abuse was widely rumoured for years. leveymg Jul 2012 #76

I will be the first to admit I didn't follow this story until it broke, but I never heard about MADem Jul 2012 #93

"Jerry Sandusky rumors started long before grand jury report" leveymg Jul 2012 #114

I don't doubt your word in the slightest--even without the amplifying (and interesting) link, MADem Jul 2012 #116

Professional Due Dilligence pre-hire done by UVA or MD would have revealed these problems. leveymg Jul 2012 #118

Uva and Maryland wouldn't have touched him obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #124

True. But the fact that PennState continued to grant him access made PSU and its coaches vulnerable leveymg Jul 2012 #133

I already know that obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #134

Well, then, we agree about possible motive. Knowledge of Sandusky's crimes presented opportunity. leveymg Jul 2012 #139

Is this the death knell? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #12

As a national program, Penn State is about to enter a ten-year sleep.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #15

Again, it's a shame Joe Paterno wasn't around to see it. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #16

Agreed. calimary Jul 2012 #119

Transfer is allowed without penalty. The Link Jul 2012 #18

They can transfer with no penalty/being redshirted obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #29

That's good....Punish the guilty, not the innocent Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #35

The Penn program was scum even without this scandal. That even A Simple Game Jul 2012 #43

Joe campaigned for Republican candidates. HERVEPA Jul 2012 #46

Find the pictures of the creep with the GOP bozos and spread 'em around. MADem Jul 2012 #66

retroactive dterrell Jul 2012 #17

How many coaches are the most powerfull men on campus? CANDO Jul 2012 #19

If they really wanted to punish the football program ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #20

or that one in Detroit AngryAmish Jul 2012 #21

Now you're just being cruel...(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #37

LOL It's funny 'cause it's true. VWolf Jul 2012 #117

SMU still got hit worse than this derby378 Jul 2012 #24

If I recall correctly... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #40

Unfortunetly... rexcat Jul 2012 #53

But here's the thing... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #55

No one is telling them they can't play football, for the love of the game. MADem Jul 2012 #77

No... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #123

Not if that Shakespeare Festival was a competitive thing and brought big money to the school. MADem Jul 2012 #138

As an average citizen I don't feel that it is enough Panasonic Jul 2012 #26

No it would decimiate an economy well beyond the campus. themaguffin Jul 2012 #30

Tough shit gopiscrap Jul 2012 #42

You don't seem to grasp what I'm saying and are too irrational to discuss with themaguffin Jul 2012 #45

That cat is already out of the bag... Evasporque Jul 2012 #34

Wow! I didn't expect anything like this lunatica Jul 2012 #27

the record books will still say victory, but it's done to punish paterno for his cover-up Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #32

What about the football players? lunatica Jul 2012 #36

unfortunately, what can the ncaa do when they come down on a program? the players always suffer Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #39

That's why I'm struggling with this. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #47

That's life. Springslips Jul 2012 #113

The players can study and get roody Jul 2012 #165

Student athletes being students first and athletes second? Nah. . .throwing a football is more Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #168

Players don't have "wins." Teams do. Players score touchdowns and accumulate yards, and sack QBs MADem Jul 2012 #74

I don't think they will. I think record books from this day forward will give the wins to others.NT MADem Jul 2012 #59

yup obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #68

Those wins were not legitimate, though--a guy who should have been in jail and an accessory after MADem Jul 2012 #57

The USA Today article contradicts itself regarding taking away wins from Paterno's record. bulloney Jul 2012 #28

The wins are vacated. The Link Jul 2012 #31

It's bad writing/editing. bluedigger Jul 2012 #38

Some of the story was probably written before the ruling... SidDithers Jul 2012 #51

So this is what happens when we actually punish wrongdoing by large groups AllyCat Jul 2012 #44

Good job NCAA...hell, maybe we should put the NCAA in charge of Wall Street... Sancho Jul 2012 #60

The program should have been shut down entirely. closeupready Jul 2012 #61

First, I'm not a football fan and originally I thought the death penalty was appropriate. But... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #63

I think you threaded the needle very nicely, there. It is, indeed, a tailored rebuke! MADem Jul 2012 #67

Hopefully even more justice will prevail BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #65

Big Ten has yet to weigh in, as well. SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2012 #162

I may get pummelled for this Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #71

The players are not being punished. You need to read the ruling. The players are being protected. MADem Jul 2012 #73

Having to vacate wins punishes past players Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #81

No it doesn;t obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #84

Well it would piss me off Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #89

They should be enraged at Penn and Paterno and The Program obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #127

No it doesn't. It doesn't change the yards they ran, the touchdowns they scored, the interceptions MADem Jul 2012 #90

Protecting a pedophile for the sake of a football team=winning illegitimately. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #106

The terms of the penalty went quite out of their way to protect present and future players. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #78

I won't pummel you but I think you are wrong... rexcat Jul 2012 #79

I understand the sentiment behind the ruling Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #86

My perspective comes from working in pediatrics... rexcat Jul 2012 #92

I guess I am looking at this too much from the standpoint of a player Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #94

From the reports... rexcat Jul 2012 #140

I suppose for some people it's never a big deal until their child is raped. Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #87

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #91

Apparently it is needed, if you're still defending the institution. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #95

I'm not defending the institution use your gray matter and read my posts. I have never Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #98

And yet you're talking like only two people were involved with this and not an entire culture. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #99

The "entire culture" exists today at dozens of universities across the land. CANDO Jul 2012 #155

Editied my previous post. My point was how can you complain about the ruling given the... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #97

The whole barrel was rotten. IggleDoer Jul 2012 #121

Oh, just wait obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #129

Paterno wasn't thrown under the bus..his hubris kept him from seeing he was in the crosswalk. nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #144

Yup. obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #128

Should have closed their football program for a little while at least. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #75

Given the campus' attitude... Posteritatis Jul 2012 #80

+1 nt MADem Jul 2012 #88

Nicely said. rexcat Jul 2012 #82

They'll have far less reverence when all their good players run like hell to other schools. MADem Jul 2012 #85

I had wanted suspension Locrian Jul 2012 #101

We'll see how hard they cheer when Klutz McShoelacetrip and Pudge O'Waddler take the field MADem Jul 2012 #112

Exactly! Or some of the club sports obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #130

I would imagine Penn State games will be monetary losses....home and away... Evasporque Jul 2012 #111

So much for Happy Valley liberal N proud Jul 2012 #83

It'll be Crappy Valley for the next five to ten years..! nt MADem Jul 2012 #96

Excellent ESPN clip with Desmond Howard, BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #100

Tell it like it is! nt MADem Jul 2012 #115

Desmond Howard knows better than most people what "it" is. amandabeech Jul 2012 #125

I enjoyed his comments. nt MADem Jul 2012 #137

Yes, so did I. I think that ESPN made a wise move by hiring him. amandabeech Jul 2012 #141

All great academic schools, too! obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #147

Well, you'll get no flack from me on your post. amandabeech Jul 2012 #149

The scholarship reductions will have the worst impact to the team taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #102

Who would want to play there for the next seven to ten years? MADem Jul 2012 #103

I am sick of the cult-like worship of football dballance Jul 2012 #104

Apparently the "GLEE" culture is giving the football fanatics a run for their money. MADem Jul 2012 #107

what does "vacating all wins" mean, exactly. anything beyond altering the record books? unblock Jul 2012 #105

They aren't the "winningest" team, and Paterno et.al. not the "winningest" coaches. MADem Jul 2012 #109

Players keep their stats obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #131

Too bad we can't put the NCAA in charge of the Catholic Church nichomachus Jul 2012 #120

Not severe enough. Alduin Jul 2012 #122

Death was the only acceptable outcome- NCAA should disband as an organization (NM) Rambis Jul 2012 #126

I have decided this is better than the death penalty obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #132

Penn State's football program shouldn't be punished Zyzafyx Jul 2012 #136

Given attitudes on campus I'm not sure they'll survive probation. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #142

I agree obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #148

What the hell would that accomplish? SpartanDem Jul 2012 #143

I disagree... sort of Scootaloo Jul 2012 #152

Not enough jmowreader Jul 2012 #154

Students DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #157

This obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #160

Wonderful post. SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2012 #163

NCAA sanctions did absolutely nothing to punish the people responsible. gauguin57 Jul 2012 #164