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121. The problem you have is that the evidence is in and it doesn't support your claims.

Mon Apr 10, 2017, 03:58 AM

Apr 2017

Not in 2013, where the UN person your article quotes states that there was no evidence regarding whichever chemical attack she was discussing in April of 2013.

The problem is that accusing me of "trusting Trump" is that it's a poor ad hominem and pretty blatant projection, since Trump's friends were agreeing with Dear Tulsi back in 2013, and pretty much saying the same things she's reciting now.

So, since you're still waiting for evidence and cherry picking titles didn't work when the body of of the story undermines your point. Here is some evidence of just who had Sarin, just who used Sarin and just who it was that was using strikingly similar arguments back in 2013. Hint: It's everyone's favorite, Trump associated Russian, Lavrov

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23927399

It goes into the actual evidence, and all the people who seem to be echoing Tulsi in 2017, but were somehow doing it in 2013.

Perhaps trusting Trump, Assad, the Russians, or those delivering their scripts is not such a smart thing to do.

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'No different than Trump with Putin': Howard Dean says Tulsi Gabbard should resign for defending... [View all] DonViejo Apr 2017 OP

I was watching that live, my jawed dropped when he said that. She's been very outspoken... George II Apr 2017 #1

she has never defended Assad - Democrats lose credibility when they say things like that virtualobserver Apr 2017 #3

Credibility with who? The Alt-Right? Chevy Apr 2017 #4

so you agree with this policy of the US bombing both sides of the Syrian conflict? virtualobserver Apr 2017 #6

I agree that Gabbard has her own agenda Chevy Apr 2017 #7

She was personally involved in our previous stupid war.....she saw people die. virtualobserver Apr 2017 #11

On the other hand we are all part of this world arent we? So if we have the ability to help cstanleytech Apr 2017 #16

What Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya have proven is that intervening and causing regime change.... virtualobserver Apr 2017 #22

There is intervening and then there is stupidity the problem is being careful about cstanleytech Apr 2017 #30

I agree, but in the current situation..... virtualobserver Apr 2017 #32

You wrote this post that I'm replying to ... Tortmaster Apr 2017 #122

let me break it down for you virtualobserver Apr 2017 #127

The people "personally involved" in treating those people she insists were not synergie Apr 2017 #81

From 2013: UN's Del Ponte says evidence Syria rebels 'used sarin' virtualobserver Apr 2017 #85

See my #92 below stevenleser Apr 2017 #93

My link is about 2017, where evidence shows that despite the chemical weapons synergie Apr 2017 #117

if rebels had Sarin in 2013, they could have it in 2017 virtualobserver Apr 2017 #120

The problem you have is that the evidence is in and it doesn't support your claims. synergie Apr 2017 #121

No, she is a pro-Trump & Putin, anti Obama Islamophobe-homophobe Trojan horse obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #106

Why not bomb boths sides? That's the only sure way to kill all them Mohammedans progree Apr 2017 #8

So you are claiming that Assad does not use chemical bombs on his own people? synergie Apr 2017 #80

I'm not claiming anything. I'm just agreeing with Tulsi that this should be thoroughly investigated virtualobserver Apr 2017 #83

How Tulsi Gabbard became Assads mouthpiece in Washington Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #5

the "moderate rebels" are fighting on the same side as ISIS and Al Qaeda virtualobserver Apr 2017 #9

Doesn't explain why she secretly Chevy Apr 2017 #14

The group is not anti-Semite & members of that group marched against Trump during the women's march virtualobserver Apr 2017 #19

Linda Sarsour is the national advocacy director lapucelle Apr 2017 #34

Gabbard is no dissembler virtualobserver Apr 2017 #43

Yes she served does not mean she Chevy Apr 2017 #78

It's exactly what she does. lapucelle Apr 2017 #123

Syrian Kurds are the only ones we can count on.. paleotn Apr 2017 #62

Gabbard/Assad/Russian talking points. sharedvalues Apr 2017 #73

Tulsi is wrong, and egregiously so. Howard Dean is right to call her out. smdh Hekate Apr 2017 #13

she is wrong to ask for an investigation of the site? virtualobserver Apr 2017 #44

Assad has been at this for years. Syrians are willing to drown in the Mediterranean rather than stay Hekate Apr 2017 #45

Where have you been? virtualobserver Apr 2017 #46

United Nations? Independent reports? Other research? Hekate Apr 2017 #70

UN's Del Ponte says evidence Syria rebels 'used sarin' virtualobserver Apr 2017 #76

You conveniently keep leaving out the fact that no one else in the commission stevenleser Apr 2017 #92

Thanks Steve riversedge Apr 2017 #105

I didn't conveniently do anything virtualobserver Apr 2017 #115

Good job having your talking points down... snooper2 Apr 2017 #126

it is called common sense virtualobserver Apr 2017 #128

Tulsi should just give up the show and admit she is a Libertarian snooper2 Apr 2017 #130

Agree. It is such a mess with the alignments in Syria Alice11111 Apr 2017 #71

I thought that Gabbard was speaking within a narrower context. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #56

Actually she did. She said she did not believe that Assad was behind the gas attack. still_one Apr 2017 #57

she isn't defending him. she said that she was skeptical virtualobserver Apr 2017 #63

Skeptical means you DOUBT someone did something. SHE DOESN'T KNOW. As far as her being a veteran still_one Apr 2017 #69

you said that she was "serving as a liaison between Trump and Assad" virtualobserver Apr 2017 #72

Oh FFS, if I thought that her meeting with trump in November was part of her January fact finding still_one Apr 2017 #75

Thank you for withdrawing that statement, then. virtualobserver Apr 2017 #77

Yes gabbard is defending assad.. when all the facts point Cha Apr 2017 #100

She actually has. Democrats lose credibility when they deny that words have meanings synergie Apr 2017 #79

so, enlighten me with her "dissembling" virtualobserver Apr 2017 #82

Dr. Dean already did. Also, she wouldn't tell anyone who she was meeting with synergie Apr 2017 #116

if you can't answer the question....just say so. virtualobserver Apr 2017 #119

If there is some trouble understanding the answer .... just say so. synergie Apr 2017 #125

it is amazing that you can type so many words, and yet not tell me how she is "dissembling" virtualobserver Apr 2017 #131

I'm amazed that you typed so much, consulted a dictionary synergie Apr 2017 #139

how can someone type so many words, as you do, and yet present no evidence for your case virtualobserver Apr 2017 #140

I guess if one choosees to blind oneself to the actual evidence I presented synergie Apr 2017 #141

you don't present evidence - you tell me what you believe she said - but you never quote her virtualobserver Apr 2017 #143

Except that I have presented evidence, and referred you to the links I pasted. synergie Apr 2017 #144

you present your feelings with no evidence virtualobserver Apr 2017 #145

You keep pretending that the evidence I presented doesn't exist. You've never read my posts synergie Apr 2017 #146

I search for evidence in your posts....but only find feelings virtualobserver Apr 2017 #147

Exactly, synergie.. that's when anyone Loses "Credibility" Cha Apr 2017 #95

Yes she has.. No one is losing credibility for calling out gabbard Cha Apr 2017 #94

that article is misleading and very sloppy virtualobserver Apr 2017 #97

Assad's been killing Syrian Civilians for a long time. Here is an article form 2013 still_one Apr 2017 #98

Exactly, stillone.. gabbard has no reason to be "skeptical" Cha Apr 2017 #103

In 2013 chemical weapons were used in Ghouta, Syria, by the Syrian government still_one Apr 2017 #110

Mahalo for the link from HRW, stillone Cha Apr 2017 #112

Thanks for that link, still_one. nt brer cat Apr 2017 #107

I agree. Since when is expressing an opinion not allowed by a politician? Dean was wrong about nikibatts Apr 2017 #101

Asking for proof is not defending Assad. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2017 #111

I would hate to see her replaced with a Republican Warpy Apr 2017 #2

Voters in Hawai'i have an opportunity next year. Who's up for opposing her? Hekate Apr 2017 #15

Wasn't there a GOP women in hawaii Chevy Apr 2017 #20

Yes. She's young and idealistic; could be a good addition to the Dems. Hekate Apr 2017 #21

Because if Democrats need anything, it's to move to the right. bluedigger Apr 2017 #35

Because if the Dems need anything it's thoughtful young people who thought they could reform... Hekate Apr 2017 #40

If Evan McMullin will vote for a Dem Chevy Apr 2017 #87

Getting kicked out of the GOP is little more than an indicator of rationality at this point. bluedigger Apr 2017 #99

+100,000... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #58

Gabbart is a former R rpannier Apr 2017 #114

No she isn't... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #132

Yes, Beth Fukumoto. She is a principled Republican. mahina Apr 2017 #53

If there is any replacing, murielm99 Apr 2017 #17

We're talking about Hawaii here, that's not likely to happen. Hopefully there will be a primary. George II Apr 2017 #39

Rest easy on that one. mahina Apr 2017 #52

In the wake of Tulsi's comments on Assad and her comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #10

That's a fallacious argument: Fallacy of Association. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #12

So nobody thinks it's remotely possible that Tulsi is right to question? mr_lebowski Apr 2017 #18

Your title's premise not at stake. The argument is that Tulsi Gabbard is not trustworthy on Syria.nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #23

she put her life on the line in IRAQ and saw people blown up and dead virtualobserver Apr 2017 #29

A logical fallacy there; it fails to make her reliable on Syria. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #47

It is not a logical fallacy virtualobserver Apr 2017 #48

That was not the logical fallacy I was pointing to. You are arguing obliquely. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #49

there was no logical fallacy...your argument was a straw man virtualobserver Apr 2017 #50

Flynn and Oliver North served as well Chevy Apr 2017 #84

This is "Democratic Underground" and I am a Democrat and so is Tulsi. virtualobserver Apr 2017 #86

Flynn is a democrat crazy one but Dem none the less. N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #88

Joe Lieberman was a democrat Chevy Apr 2017 #89

You wrote it in direct reply, so yes you said that. Readers can read and they will. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #91

It wasn't a response to your "post title" virtualobserver Apr 2017 #96

Why is she an Assad apologist? Why did she meet secretly with him? Hekate Apr 2017 #24

Same here. mahina Apr 2017 #54

I think Tulsi was simply asking for an independent check on what happened there The_Casual_Observer Apr 2017 #25

as an old Deaniac, I am shocked virtualobserver Apr 2017 #26

He's jumped right in to this with both feet, it's as if we haven't been burned The_Casual_Observer Apr 2017 #28

If she wanted an independent check, why not ask Doctors Without Borders? Hekate Apr 2017 #41

Ok, what does doctors without borders do in this situation? The_Casual_Observer Apr 2017 #102

Aren't you special. Google is your friend. Hekate Apr 2017 #118

And here's a very very well-reasoned article re: this general subject you should read mr_lebowski Apr 2017 #133

More news aggregate... Cooley Hurd Apr 2017 #27

They really need to rename their site "Regurgitated Story" bluedigger Apr 2017 #36

Primary her. theaocp Apr 2017 #31

+100% mazzarro Apr 2017 #37

Tulsi Gabbard is, IMHO,... MarianJack Apr 2017 #33

Agree- in a few words: She's a nut OKNancy Apr 2017 #38

You are misrepresenting Gabbard's position. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #65

Did he call for Manchin and Heitcamp to resign for voting for the corproFascist Gorsuch? n2doc Apr 2017 #42

Bu. .bu. .but that's different! Jake Stern Apr 2017 #67

Agreed.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #135

For those unaware of what Gabbard said, she doesn't believe Assad was behind the gas attack. still_one Apr 2017 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author virtualobserver Apr 2017 #55

For those unaware of what Gabbard said, read her own words... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #61

Her press release makes Dean's comments rather bizarre. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2017 #64

That ISN'T the point of the OP. She made a statement that she DOESN'T believe Assad is responsible still_one Apr 2017 #66

I'm sorry... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #104

Here is the CNN link still_one Apr 2017 #109

They are obsessed with making Tulsi the Devil virtualobserver Apr 2017 #129

Well.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #136

shhhhhhhhhhh......you speak the words which cannot be spoken virtualobserver Apr 2017 #137

Interestingly... PoiBoy Apr 2017 #138

Thanks for pointing it out.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #142

I agree it's time for Trump to resign rockfordfile Apr 2017 #59

Finally! Answerman Apr 2017 #60

Trump fellated Assad in the debates didn't he? Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #68

I like Gabbard. David__77 Apr 2017 #74

When Chump and Pence agree reggaehead Apr 2017 #90

Although they never officially named anyone as Bernie's running mate, she was floated LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #108

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2017 #113

Has he called for the removal of Joe Manchin? That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #124

Wow.. disillusioned73 Apr 2017 #134