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politicat

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12. You're thinking of Tesla as a car company. It's not.
Fri Apr 14, 2017, 07:51 PM
Apr 2017

It's a technology company that produces devices that run on large-scale battery technology, starting with personal transport and solar home energy banking.

As for the labor issues -- it'll happen or it won't. Having watched UAW behave badly in the Rust Belt for the past 40 years, I'm not sure I'd want to be repped by UAW anyway. Tesla is coming out of the tech industry far more than the automotive industry, and the *unions* never wanted to rep tech.

Back in the early 90s, there were multiple attempts to organize tech, at Intel and Motorola (I was at Motorola then, and was involved in trying to get representation), at SGI and Cisco, and at Oracle and (I think) Microsoft. Even though the employees were being paid relatively well, and most of tech was relatively progressive in terms of benefits, most of the companies had deeply ugly sides. We were experiencing workplace abuse -- 100 hour work weeks on $45K annual salaries ($75K in 2017 money) and pay shenanigans (stock options! Vanishing 401k contributions!) and sexual harassment that makes Uber look like a model of moral integrity. None of the unions wanted to work with us; even CWA only wanted the ones doing telecom work. There's a reason that tech has been ambivalent to hostile towards unionization, and it's not because of the libertarian techie myth. It's because a lot of us early internet founders tried and the unions told us to go pound sand.

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We need to get away from SUVs redixdoragon Apr 2017 #1
You're thinking of Tesla as a car company. It's not. politicat Apr 2017 #12
People like SUVs, minivans, trucks, big cars. EL34x4 Apr 2017 #19
SUVs and minivams are just the station wagons TexasBushwhacker Apr 2017 #20
The garbage trucks in Asmara Eritrea were electric. Mid/late 60's alfredo Apr 2017 #2
Asmara is a beautiful city. The Italian influence is very evident in some of the architecture the NWCorona Apr 2017 #24
I was there for three years. Massawa and Axum were favorite destinations alfredo Apr 2017 #26
Yeah, of all of Eritrea, Massawa was my favorite. I was only there for 2 months and loved it. NWCorona Apr 2017 #27
I had little problem with either country, though Addis Ababa had some rough places. alfredo Apr 2017 #29
Electric pickup trucks will go over like a lead balloon. Aristus Apr 2017 #3
No no no -- I'm first in line. Been wanting an electric truck forever. byronius Apr 2017 #4
I hope you're able to get one soon, sir. Aristus Apr 2017 #5
It's crazy how little press the climate impact of meat-production gets, considering it's worse than JudyM Apr 2017 #22
What an asinine comment. Codeine Apr 2017 #7
Stereotype much? GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #8
About as often as they do. Aristus Apr 2017 #11
I like all the things you do GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #13
Hardly... Baconator Apr 2017 #9
Not here, if it's a smaller pickup. politicat Apr 2017 #10
Thats only true for people who own one without the need for it. phleshdef Apr 2017 #16
I'd say its a mixed bag. Xolodno Apr 2017 #21
Those are the people I was talking about. Aristus Apr 2017 #23
The width of a 2016 F-150 is 79.9″ snooper2 Apr 2017 #28
Completely missing the point. Tesla's semi's in the very near future will not have drivers. harun Apr 2017 #30
wish my nissan nv2000 was electric. on a small island not too far to go lol nt msongs Apr 2017 #6
EV conversions are getting cheaper and cheaper. If I lived on an island I'd do it. NWCorona Apr 2017 #25
An electric semi would be great for local deliveries jmowreader Apr 2017 #14
You can charge any time your truck coasts, at 75mph I can coast for 1/4 mile @ 70+mph. denbot Apr 2017 #15
Anything to keep the gears of civilization spinning, grinding the planet to dust. nt GliderGuider Apr 2017 #17
their products seem on the expensive side dembotoz Apr 2017 #18
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