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PatrickforO

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35. That does strike me as an alternative fact. IQ is kind of a strange thing to measure,
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:53 AM
May 2017

and many people in the education and psychological communities feel current IQ testing is biased.

That cultural bias shouldn't have affected either Obama or Trump, per se, but there has always been a question in the tests, at least in my own mind, of content validity past a certain age. You see, I've always felt that life and work experience, particularly that real-life experience in problem solving, allows one to get a much higher score than one would have gotten had one taken the test at an earlier age.

In addition, I've never seen the IQ score of a sitting or past POTUS expressed as a result of taking any nationally normed IQ test.

What? Really? Yes, it is true. Virtually all of the IQ scores you'll encounter are 'estimates' based on that president's speeches and actions, and flavored with the bias of the person doing the estimating.

So, when we estimate the IQ of someone like Obama, we see a scale on the low end of 116 and the high end of 150. Now, admittedly I'm biased toward the high end of those estimates based on evidence cited in the linked article - the guy is obviously a genius. To me. In fact to anyone who reads this post, I'd imagine. But ask Rush Limbaugh and you'd get a much lower estimate.

As to Trump, he was a mediocre student at best, but went to good schools. He inherited money from his father, so wasn't smart enough to make his own fortune (if we're going to call that ability 'smart,' which I don't necessarily do). But, he was dumb enough to go bankrupt four times and screw thousands of people and firms to which he owed money, some of whom were forced out of business as a result.

Try for the life of me, I just don't think Trump is that intelligent, except in one area. He is a genius in effective branding and marketing of himself. But, when I consider the plethora of weaknesses in other areas of life, I'm inclined to be on the low end, estimate-wise - maybe 115 to 120.

However, and it is a big however, we have possible mental illness and equally possible early-stage dementia. We also have a habitual laziness in vocabulary that took decades to form - the guy habitually uses maybe 800 words and becomes less articulate as more words become necessary. And he does not read. Those two factors drive what may have a higher IQ in youth down in adulthood.

At 70, Trump has nearly run his course in terms of human life span. So any bright IQ he had as a child or youth is likely to have ratcheted down over decades of laziness, sloppiness and bad habits.

God, what a long post in response to a joke....geez! Sometimes I marvel at my own obtuseness and selective lack of humor.
so here's me waving,

... and here's you, my reader, having an out of body experience if you even made it this far!


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His IQ is double 45's. truthisfreedom May 2017 #1
Only 120? George II May 2017 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author LOL Lib May 2017 #6
Nice! LOL Lib May 2017 #8
Heehee MFM008 May 2017 #13
That would be 90 Bucky May 2017 #12
I had to google Trump's IQ.....he is at 156 (genius) while Barrack Obama is only a 102. LOL putitinD May 2017 #21
i doubt trump has that high of an IQ..and we know how he likes to reverse numbers. samnsara May 2017 #22
I doubt Trump's IQ is higher than 90. And I know Obama's IQ is at least 140. putitinD May 2017 #24
IQ is irrelevant. Trumpy can't out-think his crazy. Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #27
+++++++++ AGREE iluvtennis May 2017 #53
my daughter is severely retarded and she is smarter than trump demigoddess May 2017 #55
My 3 yr old granddaughter is more articulate (larger vocabulary) and empathetic. Truly. Alice11111 May 2017 #57
Hard to believe Obama's I.Q. is only average (and only in mid range average at that). maddiemom May 2017 #25
Alternative facts. putitinD May 2017 #26
Woops. Missed your irony. maddiemom May 2017 #40
P.S. There is also E.Q. (emotional quotient) to consider in someones' ability and potential maddiemom May 2017 #29
Trump's EQ must be... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #41
Ha ha! Even if true, it's obvious that what you DO with your IQ... Beartracks May 2017 #28
From what I've heard, size really DOES matter ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #48
How would anyone know this? Mz Pip May 2017 #32
Isn't it amazing what you can find on the internet--and how much of it is pure BS Hekate May 2017 #33
That number refers only to the murielm99 May 2017 #46
Ummm ... there's something very ironic going on right here ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #49
... tavernier May 2017 #59
That does strike me as an alternative fact. IQ is kind of a strange thing to measure, PatrickforO May 2017 #35
A couple of points kristopher May 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforO May 2017 #43
I deleted my old post because I didn't read your message correctly. PatrickforO May 2017 #44
I found it worth pondering,but its 3am,I can't sleep, so I had 3 oz wine& a Colo Turtle Brownie I Alice11111 May 2017 #58
Trump could have a 156 IQ and still be like he is. A person has to apply themselves. LiberalArkie May 2017 #37
Snopes.com busted that fake news about Trump's IQ MrPurple May 2017 #45
Trump is an idiot Gothmog May 2017 #3
"Bilateral", "dialogue", "invective" - that will confuse the don DrDan May 2017 #4
Oh, there's no f***ing way Trump would've even read through the entire quote ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #50
Macron speaks better English than our native born a** Pres eom LittleGirl May 2017 #5
That could likely be said... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #11
true. eom LittleGirl May 2017 #14
He probably does, but this was a French interview and Politico translated the answer to English karynnj May 2017 #16
I have a crush on Macron, and Trudeau! northoftheborder May 2017 #7
So do I. They are the future. roamer65 May 2017 #9
And zentrum May 2017 #17
Me too. HelenWheels May 2017 #19
Macaron is my idol!!!!! It's nice to see a man in charge of a country onecent May 2017 #10
"the diplomacy of public invective" unblock May 2017 #15
Loved that too! BlueMTexpat May 2017 #31
It was a small thing but he he really did bully Trump the way Trump bullies Maraya1969 May 2017 #18
Macron stood up to the bully. There's a difference. Hekate May 2017 #34
While I admire the show of strength, there is also a concern of increasing isolation from the more JudyM May 2017 #20
No one seems to have recognized that trump, once again operating from Enoki33 May 2017 #23
Yes, dictatorship is what he wants american_ideals May 2017 #30
Yes but he is also influenced/motivated by approval behaviors. So it may only be a matter of scope JudyM May 2017 #39
Impressive. He's eloquent, too. A leader with a brain and decorum? I've forgotten already. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #36
And here I thought the overly long hand hold meant they were going steady... Rollo May 2017 #38
Vive la France! BigmanPigman May 2017 #47
Macron just Out-Trolled the Troll King himself ... the torch is clearly passed ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #51
Did anyone else run over to the Mensa IQ page? YOHABLO May 2017 #52
"At 15, Macron had the maturity of a 25-year-old" dalton99a May 2017 #54
So "talking with the teachers" is what the kids are calling it these days. Heh. WinkyDink May 2017 #60
Love that Macron did it; ADORE he verified it in the press! Eom Lyricalinklines May 2017 #56
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