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matt819

(10,749 posts)
12. And when this fails?
Mon May 29, 2017, 12:01 PM
May 2017

Sure, sounds great. And a lot of terrorists are going to die. Yay for our side.

And a lot of children are going to die. And the deaths of those children will create more terrorists, and not only in Syria and the Middle East. What are you going to do? Carpet bomb Manchester and Birmingham and Paris? And what about radicalized Muslims here in the US? San Bernadino? Dearborn?

This tactic, while satisfying to some - heck, to many - will fail.

Do I have an answer? Not really. Intelligent engagement with Muslim countries and Muslim communities worldwide would be worth a try. Results won't be immediate, and so it won't satisfy Mattis or 45 or their followers. It won't satisfy the Islamophobes, racists, and bigots. And it's hard. And time-consuming. Arming the Saudis and other Middle Eastern states to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons - to be used on non-conforming Sunnis and possibly Iran and Israel at some point - or transferred to ISIS itself in some form - is not the way to go.

Muslims have been fighting these fights and fighting outsiders for centuries. Memories are long. The buffoons in this administration can give themselves all the high-fives they want. And they will leave us, and the world, at greater risk.

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They have to. Archae May 2017 #1
You like the current heaven05 May 2017 #3
What else can be done against ISIS? Archae May 2017 #4
Howsa about making the Saudis stop giving SO much money DK504 May 2017 #7
yep heaven05 May 2017 #10
It's a start. Archae May 2017 #13
Also USA should pay compensation to the hundreds of innocents killed by America's criminal Fred Sanders May 2017 #17
Trump apologists would billh58 May 2017 #24
Don't make me laugh heaven05 May 2017 #8
As the old saying goes angrychair May 2017 #18
It's not like fighting a normal military. christx30 May 2017 #5
Ok, on the Sherman March heaven05 May 2017 #9
About Sherman's March to the Sea! atreides1 May 2017 #11
"They want the war to bring about the end of the world." - They do not. Their war KingCharlemagne May 2017 #21
Ever hear of 'blowback'? That's how ISIS and all.other 'terrorist' groups recruit the young. sinkingfeeling May 2017 #19
Yeah. Good luck with that bubala hedda_foil May 2017 #2
How will we know when it's over? How will we know that the objective has been met? Yavin4 May 2017 #6
I vote for some mission creep. It worked so well for us in Vietnam, Afghanistan KingCharlemagne May 2017 #22
And when this fails? matt819 May 2017 #12
No such thing as Annihilation when you are fighting an idea. Kablooie May 2017 #14
Seems like something that is easier said than done. xor May 2017 #15
ISIS probably says the same thing about the innocents of Manchester. The UK, after all, KingCharlemagne May 2017 #23
Please correct me if mistaken GulfCoast66 May 2017 #16
I think the biggest difference is that with Obama exboyfil May 2017 #27
So says the war criminal of Fallujah (2004) - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #20
No quarter is fine by me DeminPennswoods May 2017 #25
Who's country is it? nt fleabiscuit May 2017 #28
I just watched "War Machine" on Netflix... Sancho May 2017 #26
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