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certainot

(9,090 posts)
86. talk radio kicks left wing internet ass
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 06:36 PM
Jan 2012

you're thinking and talking in a talk radio vacuum.

all the left has to do is recognize the fact that what's been kicking their ass for the last 20 years isn't the blue dogs, which are a symptom of the problem, but talk radio. then they'd realize they're getting out messaged and outframed by the GOP because they get a free speech free ride- there is NO organized opposition. the iraq war protests i went to and got tear gassed at should have included the local limbaugh megastations, which were doing the heavy lifting selling those lies and got away with it because they were unchallenged. they are the reason a decorated war veteran became an elitist flip flopper, and a silver spooned failure and national guard deserter became commander in chief. palin was chosen for limbaugh, to get him on board with mccain. this whole primary idiot field is acceptable because the talk radio gods excluded the moderates years ago. these things were not some cyclic shift to the right. wall st deregulation, media deregulation, clarence thomas, scalia, single payer defeat are all trophies on the talk radio trophy room wall. there is no bigger national PC cop and censor-by-threat than limbaugh.

some of it's changed since rove lost control of it and the kochs horned in but the think tanks can still use it to message over just about anything the left does.

the same applies to OWS protests. there is no consequence for the sponsors of those radio stations and universities that broadcast sports on those stations that let limbaugh and hannity call OWS protestors maggot infested scum all day and deny global warming the rest of the time. to 50 mil a week. on stations licensed to operate in the public interest. protected by call screeners and prompted and reinforced by paid think tank callers. those local and national blowhards were yelling at the govs and mayors and cops and chiefs they needed to clean up the OWS scum, and exhorting their listeners to let them know. it makes a big difference.

nothing has moved the center or allowed the corporate media to move the perception of the center more to the right than having those blowhards on every corner and stump in the country screaming the same think tank generated BS all day long as if they represent the center or the majority and get away with it because no one gets in their face. print and TV omits but the radio monopoly can create. internet is diffuse while RW radio is focused and repetitive. no other medium can do that unchallenged coordinated repetition, deciding what is and what isn't acceptable, turning molehills into mountains in a day. the think tanks monitor the national conversation and if obama or wellstone etc are getting traction they develop a response and feed it to team limbaugh. OWS worked because it was one of the few political 'ops' that was louder than RW talk radio- but the radio keeps going all day every day.

and no one gets in the radio gods faces because the left thinks the fact they reach 50 mil a week is either irrelevant, they don't reach 50 mil a week, or the internet kicks their ass, or eventually all those pickups will have free high speed and global warming can wait, or they just have no clue, or are more interested in music. whatever.

the teabaggers are a product of 20 years of talk radio - all the koch bros did was give them bus passes. the fact that the left and the media generally have no idea that teabaggers are the talk radio base that were lured out of the limbaugh closet with koch funded bus passes is a big reason they're so successful. limbaugh spent months assuring them defaulting on the debt would present advantages for them, to force obama to cut govt. etc. that's likely the single most important reason we almost defaulted. OWS was necessary because democracy isn't working. democracy is designed to fix money and media problems but the left has allowed the right, with talk radio being the most important mechanism, to short circuit the normal feedback mechanisms that a democracy depends on. until the radio screamers are challenged getting money out of politics and demonopolizing media are practically impossible.

here's another way to look at it - the main talk radio gods are paid liars working 24/7 for the 1% on public airwaves. they have an effect on every national discussion. imagine if they just started telling the truth. the difference in our democracy would be amazing- advocating for clean energy for instance, instead of the oil companies. but there is no consequence for lying.

as far as doing something about it- besides local sponsor shaming, and protesting, it is possible that the RW monopoly couldn't survive without university sports (15 of 16 NCAA bball finalists in 2011 use limbaugh stations.). and no uni has any excuse for staying with limbaugh hannity savage stations. as soon as a few made that move their local sponsors would start peeling away and it would draw attention to the issue.

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A longer report from The Guardian harvey007 Jan 2012 #1
They have a right to have their voices heard, may we all listen and learn. freshwest Jan 2012 #3
Too Bad - looks like the Dem leadership is going to blow it on this one FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #5
They have a right to be heard, but anyone who says the Democrats pnwmom Jan 2012 #24
Hey, they controlled the rules Kelvin Mace Jan 2012 #29
bullshit. the 'left' has been an disgrace for 20 yrs while a few talk radio blowhards reading think certainot Jan 2012 #41
ahuh... you despise the left fascisthunter Jan 2012 #77
as long as the 'left' has NO challenge to the right's best weapon, the collective 'left' are idiots certainot Jan 2012 #79
Lacking the benefits of 20/20 hindsight, they had no reason in the beginning of 2009 pnwmom Jan 2012 #44
Yeah, and crim son Jan 2012 #49
Republicans deliver results to their constituents.. sendero Jan 2012 #51
This. End of thread. closeupready Jan 2012 #59
Are you calling them stupid wimps?? pocoloco Jan 2012 #54
Gosh, as I recall at the time Kelvin Mace Jan 2012 #107
Agreed. I was on a board that followed that day to day. freshwest Jan 2012 #40
"they" didn't walk away. kenfrequed Jan 2012 #75
a lot did think their work was done, gave up and didn't vote in 2010 certainot Jan 2012 #80
I am uncertain. kenfrequed Jan 2012 #82
blue dogs and conservadems owe and are empowered by the fact the 'left' ignores talk radio in their certainot Jan 2012 #83
I'm sorry but that is crap kenfrequed Jan 2012 #85
talk radio kicks left wing internet ass certainot Jan 2012 #86
Exactly how does the left stop this? kenfrequed Jan 2012 #90
i've thought a lot about it, buying stations is a RW talking point that gives up the fact that certainot Jan 2012 #92
also OWS needs to recognize talk radio is the 1%'s best tool. samson's hair. the great enabler, certainot Jan 2012 #93
Occupy the MSM sites, like I do. I kick talk radio ass on my local paper's site & the dittos roseBudd Jan 2012 #94
Let us know when you've completed your purchase of Clear Channel. eom tledford Jan 2012 #87
no kidding kenfrequed Jan 2012 #88
you guys give up that easily? RW radio is samson's hair and the left seems to want to comb it certainot Jan 2012 #91
Blame kenfrequed Jan 2012 #95
i blame the left for ignoring RW talk radio that intimidates and enables the blue dogs, i don't give certainot Jan 2012 #97
in other words leave it to the 1%? that's a RW talking point. not only that, good luck with and majo certainot Jan 2012 #89
Right... kenfrequed Jan 2012 #96
if money always wins what's the use of democracy? there is NO ORGANIZED OP TO THE RW BEST WEAPON certainot Jan 2012 #98
This is getting ridiculous kenfrequed Jan 2012 #101
there's a guy on a soapbox in your neighborhood calling you a thief and traitor all day and i'm certainot Jan 2012 #102
nobody is friggin waiting. kenfrequed Jan 2012 #103
no, the moderates aren't going to do it anyway. the only one's capable of fixing it are the one's certainot Jan 2012 #104
Thank you UK! The US whore media sucks. qb Jan 2012 #57
At least this is proactive. randome Jan 2012 #2
Occupy will do what occupy wants. annabanana Jan 2012 #4
Democrats take note: midnight Jan 2012 #6
Democrats in Congress have been a huge disappointment since 2000. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #7
I knew that eventually we would agree... russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #19
they reflected their lame base support that allowed 1000 radio stations to kick left internet ass certainot Jan 2012 #42
Congressional Democrats have been a huge disappointment pscot Jan 2012 #61
Then promote an alternative. randome Jan 2012 #62
I still think Obama will harness the energy of OWS when the time comes. secondwind Jan 2012 #8
Not after signing NDAA. libmom74 Jan 2012 #9
Oh right, because of all savalez Jan 2012 #14
Signing statement? Link please. i_sometimes Jan 2012 #16
Here ya go ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #17
Ooh, a signing statement brentspeak Jan 2012 #26
I'm sorry if the links offended you, some of us do like to read 'all types' of articles .... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #27
"All types" of articles. hay rick Jan 2012 #55
Incoming Wall of Blue Links! i_sometimes Jan 2012 #33
There was a statement nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #36
Nice try... i_sometimes Jan 2012 #31
See comment #16. YOU are the one that asked for the LINK. Tx4obama Jan 2012 #35
+1 (n/t) a2liberal Jan 2012 #48
From your first link: ronnie624 Jan 2012 #60
A signing statement has no legal meaning. former9thward Jan 2012 #84
Right.... i_sometimes Jan 2012 #39
agreed... dougolat Jan 2012 #50
The time came and went. hay rick Jan 2012 #11
Just no. i_sometimes Jan 2012 #15
Excellent ! russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #20
+1 emilyg Jan 2012 #28
What in the world would you base that on? He takes Wall Street corporate money. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #21
PLEASE Skittles Jan 2012 #25
I really don't think Obama.. sendero Jan 2012 #52
LOL! Little Star Jan 2012 #56
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Zhade Jan 2012 #106
more or less the conservative party got the die in. whether it's democrats or republicans I don't PatrynXX Jan 2012 #10
both political parties.... unkachuck Jan 2012 #12
OWS adherents seem to want it both ways. randome Jan 2012 #13
I tend to agree. savalez Jan 2012 #18
GEE, politicians lie ! russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #22
You just made randome's point. savalez Jan 2012 #23
because dems listen to constituents and in most parts of the country RW radio has a huge effect to certainot Jan 2012 #43
Precicely why leftynyc Jan 2012 #53
I hope these people don't ruin it for Obama center rising Jan 2012 #30
Wrong bogeyman... i_sometimes Jan 2012 #32
Really, these people!!!! center rising Jan 2012 #81
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #34
My lord, given that EVEN THE PRESIDENT has adopted some of their frames nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #37
You have not one iota of an inkling of an idea of what you are talking about. Hissyspit Jan 2012 #46
Nope, not surprised one bit nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #38
It Sounds like 12 Republicans to me!!! NAGAUEL Jan 2012 #45
During their Rose Parade float I saw a lot of OWSers making fun of Republicans. joshcryer Jan 2012 #47
Good. We need a voice that can compete with their wealthy donors. qb Jan 2012 #58
OWS = Fail rethymnon Jan 2012 #63
OWS = moderate success to date Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #64
I think the OWS adherents need to learn something. randome Jan 2012 #66
I dunno. Martin Luther did a good job with that church door. aquart Jan 2012 #69
Study the present. randome Jan 2012 #71
The ONLY successes that The People have gotten over my lifetime - Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #72
The "only successes"? CBHagman Jan 2012 #73
Frighten you, do they? Peaceful protest unnerving you? aquart Jan 2012 #67
Way to go. randome Jan 2012 #68
Nothing for me to address. #OWS has the situation well in hand. aquart Jan 2012 #70
This is what goes through our minds, every day - Zorra Jan 2012 #99
Fantastic. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #65
ONCE AGAIN, 'CHICAGO: THE MUSICAL CHAIRS' merkozy Jan 2012 #74
that was very mavericky of you Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #100
K and R (nt) bigwillq Jan 2012 #76
GOOD! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #78
1% are 1%. Zhade Jan 2012 #105
I have mixed feelings about this tawadi Jan 2012 #108
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