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mr_lebowski

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45. That's how a lot of people are dying, specifically, yes ... but that's not 'the epidemic' ...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jun 2017

The deaths are a subset (or perhaps an 'outgrowth') of the larger epidemic. The epidemic is the addiction and the high-availability. And folks are addicted to, and OD'ing on ... opioids in general, not just Heroin.

Broadly speaking, one could say opioids fall into these categories:

Rx-Meds that were legally prescribed to the person
Rx-Meds diverted from legit patients to Friends/Family, or the Street
Illegal - Heroin (with or without adulterants like Fentanyl), or fake Rx-looking pills that are usually made with Fentanyl rather than what they're represented as, typically hydro or oxycodone.

People are hooked on one or more of the above in particularly large numbers right now, and IIRC it started around 2000, when there was (I believe) some kind of federal law change that made doctors legally obligated to treat your pain (esp. chronic pain).

Believe it or not a plurality (if not a majority) of doctors were and still are of the opinion that managing chronic pain with opioids is a BAD idea, except in certain palliative situations.

This widespread belief is what directly led to the laws re: opioid distribution being so strict prior to around 2000. 5mg Vicodin (hydrocodone) or 5mg Percocet (oxycodone) with a big wallop of liver-killing acetaminophen were all you were getting outside hospital and even then often only when you had something very visibly painful like a broken arm, or when you went home from surgery.

Now they make up to 30mg instant release oxycodone that's pure dope, basically. And up to 80mg oxycontin that's 12 hr time-release (nowadays the formulation is difficult to tamper with, but from like 2000-2006 one could simply chew up and swallow, or crush the pill and sniff it, to defeat the mechanism).

Dilaudid (instant release hydromorphone) and Opana (time-release oxymorphone), again pure dope, no tylenol ... which are both just WICKED euphoric, and hence highly addictive, drugs ... are also being Rx'd to people with 'chronic pain', in fairly large numbers. Docs almost never gave those drugs out prior to around 2000 ... unless you were literally dying of cancer.

Basically, prior to around 2000, you might get 60 x 5mg Percocets a month if you found an understanding doctor, to take if and only if ... the pain gets really bad.

IOW, strong opioids were basically never given for 'chronic pain' symptoms to be taken round the clock ... something changed around 2000 (like I say I think there was some law change that brought it about), while at the same time, giving us WAY stronger Rx drugs/formulations and 'time release/pure opioid' pills that the Drug makers claimed wouldn't addict most people (just because of the time release? Yeah ... wrong.).

PLENTY of people OD on these newer formulations (Opana and Oxycontin being most common) and die ... probably not as many as w/heroin but it absolutely does happen. Because there's lots of dumb people out there. JimBob who's been hooked on pills for years and has massive tolerance hands little bro BillyJoe one of the Oxy 80's that he pops like candy. Now, BillyJoe has never had any dope before, he chews up the pill like his big bro does it, washes it down with a couple beers, and next thing you know the 16 percocets worth of Oxycodone in a OC80 hits him at once, mixed with the booze ... and he dies. This type of scenario plays out more than you'd think.

In the years prior to 2000, the main 'objection' to the idea of usage for managing chronic pain is that basically opioids don't work for very long before you have to increase dosages for comparable pain relief. After only a year or two (in some cases), people can end up on dosages that would kill a small roomful of opioid-naive people. Eventually they just plain don't work anymore at all for killing the pain.

At that point the patient is extremely physically (and probably psychologically) dependent on them, looking at horrible withdrawals unless they're very slowly weaned down, and even then, the final 'step' of quitting is very unpleasant.

Often times doctors will just suddenly decide they see signs of such patients being 'addicts' and then just cut 'em off cold. They then often then end up on heroin, or copping pills on the street or from family/friends. IOW, they proceed to act like an addict, whether they really 'are' one ... or not.

Whatever happened around 2000, big pharma got themselves a huge gift, and they've made Billion$ (maybe hundreds of them) off of the change that occurred, whilst basically creating a whole generation of addicts.

At least they were nice enough though in 2000 to add an allowance for another methadone-ish opioid, buprenorphine, which could be Rx'd by regular doctors (after a simple cert process) in an office setting for treating opioid addiction, unlike is the case with methadone.

It's ALMOST like they foresaw the epidemic, and their solution to that would be ... MORE OPIOID$! Woo-hoo! This one doesn't get you high, and blocks other opioids from getting you high, and requires a MASSIVE amount to OD and die from. But it's still packs a NASTY withdrawal esp. if you don't wean your dose down really low before quitting.

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I just started hearing about this "opioid epidemic" recently. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #1
It should be noted Quackers Jun 2017 #2
All this means is people who have pain won't get pain meds...the opoid Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20
Not really ... PLEEEEEENTY of people hooked on opioid painkillers, the Rx Kind ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #23
I live in Ohio...most of the Doctors won't even give it...my sis had bad arthritis and has to take Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #24
Having done a few drugs back in the hippie days.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #26
Steet connections are very easy to get regardless of class if one is an addict. Kaleva Jun 2017 #40
Not me. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #52
You can buy such drugs in nice parts of town too. Kaleva Jun 2017 #55
Not me. It's just not that way across America. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #57
Not necessarily. I can tell you exactly where to go walk around in SF mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #46
Most people don't live in SF. We're talking middle class in middle America. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #51
You said 'middle class', you didn't stipulate 'also living in Middle BFE American ' mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #80
Are you at all serious in thinking most citizens in dire pain would ALSO like to WinkyDink Jun 2017 #60
Of Course Not ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #79
I doubt that most citizens would even think of "street connections" for pain relief. We tend WinkyDink Jun 2017 #59
I was wondering about that. If I would have a need... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #25
Not true. OUr overdose deaths are over 65... duhneece Jun 2017 #37
The deaths in my area are due to Heroin. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #43
I highly doubt your conclusion. People in pain don't go from Oxycodone to WinkyDink Jun 2017 #61
Exactly...this attempt to end pain relief for millions is stupid...as the epidemic is Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #67
More people died of overdoses last year than in car wrecks underpants Jun 2017 #4
and yet, nobody is in a state of hysteria over car wrecks; the "opioid epidemic" hysteria does nothi TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #34
ITA. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #62
Part of that is that deaths in car accidents continue to fall. LeftyMom Jun 2017 #70
That's true underpants Jun 2017 #73
In Ohio the problem has become more about fentanyl and carfentanil mama Jun 2017 #8
It's a big deal... Dopers_Greed Jun 2017 #9
THIS BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #12
But crack IS different from opiods. Crack is an illegal, street drug. Opiods are legal... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #15
What is happening now IS the creation of "illegal street drugs". BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #18
This article is from 2001 canetoad Jun 2017 #30
Interesting. +1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #32
In the town of Kermit, West Virginia, population 392, Staph Jun 2017 #16
I wonder how many diabetes pills that pharmacy sold. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #27
The town's population is 392. yardwork Jun 2017 #48
Apparently people from neighboring towns were going to that pharmacy. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #50
It's front and center because 33,000 people died from opioids in 2015 NobodyHere Jun 2017 #17
An estimated 88,000 people die from alcohol-related causes every year. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #28
oh, stop making sense... the opioid epidemic hysteria is just making it harder for people to get TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #35
LOL. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #39
It is a heroin epidemic with stuff added in. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #21
That's how a lot of people are dying, specifically, yes ... but that's not 'the epidemic' ... mr_lebowski Jun 2017 #45
This "epidemic" reminds me of the steroid "epidemic" that George Bush got fixated on.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #77
The use of prescription opioids in the US is out of control Julian Englis Jun 2017 #22
That's because the media waited until it snowballed into a crisis to report it. sandensea Jun 2017 #29
Read Sam Quinones' Dreamland, or check his podcasts, or these youtube clips, or others. mahina Jun 2017 #72
Stuart, DeWine is using this for jump starting his Governor campaign irisblue Jun 2017 #3
So now the US will go into reaction mode and people who need pain meds won't get them captain queeg Jun 2017 #5
When my father was dying of cancer he was given a bottle of liquid morphine. DK504 Jun 2017 #7
I just don't see why people think this is a big problem for the govt. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #31
Herion is making a comeback because of the crackdown on presription drugs. Kaleva Jun 2017 #42
Heroin is cheaper than black market OxyContin Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #49
People will find relief ...and if your pain is terrible you will do anything to stop it. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #68
My father was given the same thing. Kaleva Jun 2017 #41
Took The Words Right Out Of Fingers, Queeg ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #14
So I guess neighborhoods will have to start having their own local "chemist" Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #33
yep; i'm surprised that some of these terminal patients haven't gone postal on the docs forcing them TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #36
first EOs Obama did almost NINE YEARS AGO, addressed the RX drug problem and thefts from Veteran Sunlei Jun 2017 #6
It's about goddamn time Dopers_Greed Jun 2017 #10
Here is Opioid Town, KY Bayard Jun 2017 #11
There is a lot of addiction to prescription drugs, but I must add this about DeWine.. Stuart G Jun 2017 #13
I heard that yesterday evening... Whiskeytide Jun 2017 #19
Good. These pharmas are legally profiting from the same addiction that drug cartels create. truthisfreedom Jun 2017 #38
Actually, in rural areas the pharmaceutical companies and doctors have created the addiction... Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #44
You're not in severe pain, I'm betting. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #63
I thought it might be related to invading and occupying a major opium producing country yurbud Jun 2017 #47
Now see, this is the kind of CT thinking that can get a person in trouble, right here WinkyDink Jun 2017 #64
Yep. Wall Street wants it, drug dealers got it, and banks launder it...on the other hand... yurbud Jun 2017 #66
Interesting Lotusflower70 Jun 2017 #53
I am fortunate in that I have never had to rely on these meds crim son Jun 2017 #54
Heroin is legal and weed is a federal offense killbotfactory Jun 2017 #56
Heroin is legal?! WinkyDink Jun 2017 #65
There is an accepted medical use for opiods like heroin or oxycontin, yes. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #71
What?! Heroin is not used as medicine, and there IS medical marijuana. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #75
Heroin is essentially the same thing as oxycodone killbotfactory Jun 2017 #76
Describe it as you wish; the government and the law disagree. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #78
Ridiculous lawsuit. My mother, at 91, lived with excruciating pain that opioids WinkyDink Jun 2017 #58
I agree...it is ridiculous to sue and end help for thousands of Ohioans in pain Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #69
Too true, too true. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #74
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