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61. Interesting manifesto

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 01:34 PM

Jul 2012

"I support the ability of any free enterprise that provides a product or service that consumers find of value to be profitable."

This would seem to indicate an ideological opposition to, say, any environmental or safety regulation. Care to correct me or otherwise elaborate on your views? I'd hate to argue with a strawman, but there's not much flesh here to work with...

Incidentally, I do agree that Muller has never been the denier Romm tended to portray him as - and that the BEST project mainly served to verify for himself what he already knew to be true. But what the BEST project mainly did was reveal that many so-called "skeptics" truly deserve the label "denier" instead. As long as Muller was seen as a hope for weakening the scientific evidence for warming he was lauded as objective and fair-minded; when the results began to dribble out, the deniers jumped ship en masse. That's the true significance of the BEST saga.

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Bombshell: Koch-Funded Study Finds �Global Warming Is Real� (...and the cause is human.) [View all] kpete Jul 2012 OP

David and Charles must be pissed. Muller better watch his six. Scuba Jul 2012 #1

Yeah, no shit. He better not go on any long walks, or he might suicide himself. No small planes Nay Jul 2012 #55

I would wager they already knew human magnified global warming was for real but up until Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #58

A very reasonable scenario. Thanks. Scuba Jul 2012 #62

I think they want to dodge liability for as long as possible. tclambert Jul 2012 #71

They didn't expect this result when they commissioned the study some years ago. n/t cheapdate Jul 2012 #92

People like the Kochs usually get what they want. If they paid A Simple Game Jul 2012 #73

I hate to think about Control-Z Jul 2012 #2

Reality is starting to sink in for many. randome Jul 2012 #4

If there's anything we CAN do at this point. Control-Z Jul 2012 #10

I'm pissed too. randome Jul 2012 #12

Now... AynRandCollectedSS Jul 2012 #3

Yep. Scare em then sell them the cure. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #13

#RomneyShambles.... Kalidurga Jul 2012 #5

the cause of Global Warming is Republican greed Berlum Jul 2012 #6

the cause of Global Warming is Republican greed AlbertCat Jul 2012 #53

I remember going to the very first "Earth Day" celebration in 1970 -when we still believed change cyberpj Jul 2012 #82

Yeah, it's like the Titanic. chervilant Jul 2012 #87

the rich will save themselves while we drown or burn up rurallib Jul 2012 #7

The only way to save themselves is to save the planet. randome Jul 2012 #8

The focus of much scientific activity today cheapdate Jul 2012 #9

The only thing shocking about this... Brooklyn Dame Jul 2012 #11

Call me a extreme pessimist OverBurn Jul 2012 #14

They won't be able to be greedy like us. sofa king Jul 2012 #16

Lacking hydrocarbons, Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #34

They won't be out of options, that's for sure. sofa king Jul 2012 #49

I'm not as pessimistic as you SteveG Jul 2012 #26

It's not just the sea rise, it's the destruction of farmland and water supplies NickB79 Jul 2012 #38

Call me naive, but I think the temp will not get that high. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #88

Do you really think the damage at +8C would be confined to India and South China? GliderGuider Jul 2012 #89

Yeah, progressoid Jul 2012 #27

The climate change deniers agent46 Jul 2012 #15

The choice to live in denial is no longer an option. randome Jul 2012 #17

That's why "adaptation" agent46 Jul 2012 #19

"we'll invent something... our science is strong" Raster Jul 2012 #66

We do have to adapt. freedom fighter jh Jul 2012 #20

I need to be clear about adaptation agent46 Jul 2012 #32

"We have to do everything possible to slow climate change down. It is accelerating." CrispyQ Jul 2012 #52

Nope NewJeffCT Jul 2012 #29

There is that distinct possibility too. n/t agent46 Jul 2012 #33

If the Kochs have half the business acumen attributed to them they will be moving into xtraxritical Jul 2012 #18

It's probably simpler than that: they know they will die soon, and they don't care hatrack Jul 2012 #37

Funny thing is, they may NOT die for quite a while. randome Jul 2012 #44

Study "about to be released" matt819 Jul 2012 #21

W00t! abelenkpe Jul 2012 #22

Wrong answer. They will bury it. AlinPA Jul 2012 #23

Science never lies. orangegrove Jul 2012 #24

Welcome to DU! progressoid Jul 2012 #30

does this mean we can have our planet back? nashville_brook Jul 2012 #25

UPDATE: 9 PM BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #28

Freepers: Kochs are now Communists Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #31

The Kochs will get folks to discredit or mock him ala Gore but I lunasun Jul 2012 #35

Thanks, Charles & David, for revealing to us the whereabouts of the sky . . . hatrack Jul 2012 #36

Muller is absolutely dishonest - he was never a skeptic Poptech Jul 2012 #39

So AGW isn't real? William Seger Jul 2012 #48

Strawman Poptech Jul 2012 #59

Interesting manifesto caraher Jul 2012 #61

Denier? Poptech Jul 2012 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #75

He's been spamming climate sites all over the net w/ this nonsense Viking12 Jul 2012 #63

I'd never run into populartechnology.net before, but GliderGuider Jul 2012 #64

Ick! I just dropped over to the poptech site. Denialists of the first order. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #80

The truth is nonsense? Poptech Jul 2012 #68

First rule of holes, my son GliderGuider Jul 2012 #69

Projection Poptech Jul 2012 #70

Questions? GliderGuider Jul 2012 #72

Too often people try to pass off ideologically driven bullshit as "science". It isn't. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #77

The nonsense is... William Seger Jul 2012 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #78

Either Kochs figured out a way of making a shitpot of money, or we're completely fucked. Kennah Jul 2012 #40

Clarification on Koch Funding, Poptech Jul 2012 #41

I'm not sure what points you're trying to make. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #42

Muller's break with orthodox climate science is mainly that he was disturbed by "climategate" caraher Jul 2012 #56

Thanks. nt GliderGuider Jul 2012 #85

Too late for Amonester Jul 2012 #43

"CALL me a converted skeptic. Three years ago ..." panzerfaust Jul 2012 #45

The RW GW denier argument will now evolve to its final stage.. DCBob Jul 2012 #46

It will only seem better, and maybe....... Gabby Hayes Jul 2012 #47

This is actually OLD NEWS... SkyDaddy7 Jul 2012 #50

Well, he can be a useful idiot for us, then. randome Jul 2012 #51

Right. drm604 Jul 2012 #54

The new piece is the NYT op-ed, not the study itself. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #76

They've known this for years, but played their Randian gambit. The 1% producers are determined to freshwest Jul 2012 #57

Good post, as usual. chervilant Jul 2012 #90

Good topic, but old news. And this is an opinion piece itsrobert Jul 2012 #60

and ThinkProgress posted the same graph at that time Enrique Jul 2012 #74

I bet the Cock brothers want their money back. sarcasmo Jul 2012 #65

I'm surprised they didn't send the results directly into the sun lilithsrevenge12 Jul 2012 #79

Better too late than never GliderGuider Jul 2012 #81

My certainity borders on religion. joshcryer Jul 2012 #84

facts rks306 Jul 2012 #86

*Just* from greenhouse gases? Not the urban concrete islands, too? Roland99 Jul 2012 #91

"Three years ago I identified scientific issues that...threw doubt on the very existence of global wordpix Jul 2012 #93