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In reply to the discussion: London Tower Fire, At Least 12 Dead. (update - 55 missing..presumed dead) [View all]Denzil_DC
(9,205 posts)16. Here:

Baird, who advises seven major housing groups on fire safety, said the principles of the policy are based on flats that contain a fire for at least 60 minutes, sometimes up to three hours, before the fire service arrives.
However, he said this 60-minute box principle could go out of the window if major refurbishment works have taken place.
If its your flat thats on fire you evacuate, if its not your flat then youre normally safe to remain where you are, he said. The thing that conflicts with that is if theres been some refurbishment work done and that has altered that compartmentation.
Baird said major refurbishments could leave a building like swiss cheese, full of holes that would accelerate the spread of the blaze.
If theres evidence that the floors may have been reconfigured, heating systems may have gone in and external cladding has been fitted that changes the parameters [of the advice to stay put], he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/14/grenfell-tower-major-fire-london-apartment-block-white-city-latimer-road?page=with:block-5941358ce4b014a733d62214#block-5941358ce4b014a733d62214
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And:
Link to tweet

Peter Apps
@PeteApps
New from @lukewbarratt: Refurb of #GrenfellTower involved temporary removal of fire protections between floors http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/business/asset-management/fire-safeguards-in-grenfell-were-temporarily-removed-during-refurbishment/7020464.article
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Fire safeguards in Grenfell were temporarily removed during refurbishment
Safeguards intended to prevent the spread of fire from floor to floor were temporarily removed from Grenfell Tower during a refurbishment, according to documents from the planning application.
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/business/asset-management/fire-safeguards-in-grenfell-were-temporarily-removed-during-refurbishment/7020464.article (full article's paywalled, hence the Twitter link, but I imagine the other media will catch up soon enough).
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London Tower Fire, At Least 12 Dead. (update - 55 missing..presumed dead) [View all]
Stuart G
Jun 2017
OP
A guy was on BBC last night who rushed into the building shortly after it started
OnlinePoker
Jun 2017
#3
The building is owned by the council (social housing, I believe) and was recently renovated
OnlinePoker
Jun 2017
#7
The new cladding is a major issue for the spread, but the recent renovation seems to be crucial.
Denzil_DC
Jun 2017
#10
I'd seen a question about whether compartmentalization had been reinstated - is there a link?
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2017
#11
It also sounds like compartmentation is hit or miss whether there's been refurbishment or not:
Denzil_DC
Jun 2017
#17
Oh, I think there've already been some muted pleas about not "politicizing" a tragedy.
Denzil_DC
Jun 2017
#14
So May's previous chiefs were toxic and her new one is criminally negligent.
suffragette
Jun 2017
#24
The building had no fire alarms! It was 1am, if not for heroic people banging on doors.....
Sunlei
Jun 2017
#9
Death toll in London inferno rises to 17 as investigators comb fire-gutted tower
Eugene
Jun 2017
#20