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Denzil_DC

(9,205 posts)
16. Here:
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 04:23 PM
Jun 2017


Baird, who advises seven major housing groups on fire safety, said the principles of the policy are based on flats that contain a fire for at least 60 minutes, sometimes up to three hours, before the fire service arrives.

However, he said this “60-minute box” principle could go out of the window if major refurbishment works have taken place.

“If it’s your flat that’s on fire you evacuate, if it’s not your flat then you’re ‘normally’ safe to remain where you are,” he said. “The thing that conflicts with that is if there’s been some refurbishment work done and that has altered that compartmentation.”

Baird said major refurbishments could leave a building “like swiss cheese”, full of holes that would accelerate the spread of the blaze.

“If there’s evidence that the floors may have been reconfigured, heating systems may have gone in and external cladding has been fitted – that changes the parameters [of the advice to stay put],” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/14/grenfell-tower-major-fire-london-apartment-block-white-city-latimer-road?page=with:block-5941358ce4b014a733d62214#block-5941358ce4b014a733d62214
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And:






Peter Apps
@PeteApps

New from @lukewbarratt: Refurb of #GrenfellTower involved temporary removal of fire protections between floors http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/business/asset-management/fire-safeguards-in-grenfell-were-temporarily-removed-during-refurbishment/7020464.article

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Fire safeguards in Grenfell were temporarily removed during refurbishment

Safeguards intended to prevent the spread of fire from floor to floor were temporarily removed from Grenfell Tower during a refurbishment, according to documents from the planning application.

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/business/asset-management/fire-safeguards-in-grenfell-were-temporarily-removed-during-refurbishment/7020464.article (full article's paywalled, hence the Twitter link, but I imagine the other media will catch up soon enough).
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I hope Britain has laws that can put people in jail for negligence . angstlessk Jun 2017 #1
OMG! Horrible! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #2
A guy was on BBC last night who rushed into the building shortly after it started OnlinePoker Jun 2017 #3
If there were no smoke alarms....How can that be???????nt Stuart G Jun 2017 #4
The building is owned by the council (social housing, I believe) and was recently renovated OnlinePoker Jun 2017 #7
The new cladding is a major issue for the spread, but the recent renovation seems to be crucial. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #10
I'd seen a question about whether compartmentalization had been reinstated - is there a link? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #11
Here: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #16
It also sounds like compartmentation is hit or miss whether there's been refurbishment or not: Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #17
then there was this guy today: Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #13
Appears to have started in one apartment MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #5
It wouldn't take much now. OnlinePoker Jun 2017 #6
buildings like this are supposed to have fire suppression systems Mosby Jun 2017 #15
Legislators', builders' and designers' negligence are factors, Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #8
I'm glad there isn't a multibillion dollar legion of pundits and lobbyists Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #12
Oh, I think there've already been some muted pleas about not "politicizing" a tragedy. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #14
The height of the building is also a factor. Igel Jun 2017 #18
Yes, firefighters were asked about that on Channel 4 News (UK) earlier. Denzil_DC Jun 2017 #19
So May's previous chiefs were toxic and her new one is criminally negligent. suffragette Jun 2017 #24
The building had no fire alarms! It was 1am, if not for heroic people banging on doors..... Sunlei Jun 2017 #9
Death toll in London inferno rises to 17 as investigators comb fire-gutted tower Eugene Jun 2017 #20
Video has emerged of then-London Mayor Boris Johnson defending his cuts to fire services in London OnDoutside Jun 2017 #21
Latest News...30 dead..76 missing.. Stuart G Jun 2017 #22
Another update 55 missing presumed dead..link in original post Stuart G Jun 2017 #23
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