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BruceWane

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20. To us this inaction may just seem idiotic, incompetent, etc....
Thu Jun 22, 2017, 10:18 AM
Jun 2017

.... but I think to many of the people in the security and intelligence community, the USA is not nearly as far away from falling apart as the general population tends to think.

I think this quote -
“We were concerned that by making the statement we might, in and of itself, be challenging the integrity of the election process itself.”
- kind of tells what I thought of the Obama administration's apparent reluctance to publicly give a strong acknowledgement of the extent of meddling.

The average american citizen sees the USA as this permanent, everlasting thing. People in the business of national security and intelligence, people who have seen - and even seen to - the collapse of other governments and nations understand that the USA is not really so different from places where things have fallen apart.

The average american sees the instability in many parts of the world as a problem with "those people", as if being born in the upper part of North America somehow imparts some kind of "stable democracy gene" into the occupants of the area.

We had a distinct violent mob mentality emerging from far-right origins, spreading like wildfire through white middle America in a way that few had foreseen or even really thought possible. From the perspective of people who have spent their lives involved in worldwide geopolitics, I can see where caution would be taken before stoking those flames with reports that invite people to question the validity of the election process itself. If the process by which a government is elected is invalid, then isn't the government itself illegitimate?

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"taking sides in the race" vi5 Jun 2017 #1
It might have been more that conventional wisdom was that HRC was ahead by 10 points then and karynnj Jun 2017 #15
This will be a big part of Obama's legacy, his desperate need to not be disliked adigal Jun 2017 #49
EVERYONE likely heard the claim that 17 agencies said Russia karynnj Jun 2017 #50
Um, use the bully pulpit. GIve a speech on the teevee that people recently invented. adigal Jun 2017 #51
Both Obamas were out far more than any past President and First Lady making the case for Hillary karynnj Jun 2017 #52
You are missing the point. And bully pulpit is an expression for the power of the voice adigal Jun 2017 #53
The bully pulpit is not what it used to be karynnj Jun 2017 #54
Trump told us the elections were rigged bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #2
oh heck yea the orange idiot knew onetexan Jun 2017 #24
This is freaking insane. GOP basically got help from Russia in a coup to gain power. Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #3
Good thing that asswipe Comey wasn't part of the Obama administration. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #4
Third Base... Zoonart Jun 2017 #5
Glad you didn't politicize the facts, Obama. CrispyQ Jun 2017 #6
And now the Russians have backdoors to the states voter systems DK504 Jun 2017 #11
Verifiable paper ballots Lonestarblue Jun 2017 #25
I think Obama tried to do what he felt was right and truly believed that Hillary would win. Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #7
I love Obama as much as the next person, DK504 Jun 2017 #12
True BadgerMom Jun 2017 #19
I agree n/t underpants Jun 2017 #13
he really fucking dropped the ball Skittles Jun 2017 #46
I just want to know what they hoped to get MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #8
Was Podesta's password really "password"? Not Ruth Jun 2017 #10
Obviously, I don't know MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #29
Possible perspective on your number 3 karynnj Jun 2017 #18
Very possibily MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #31
there are lots documented here, statements, pres https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room Sunlei Jun 2017 #34
Can you narrow down? MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #43
the website has a search feature here are direct links to press briefings & statements by the pres. Sunlei Jun 2017 #45
Obama never accepted the reality of the bar fight BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #9
+10000000 - n/t Locrian Jun 2017 #14
Absolutely, from the beginning to the end of his eight years. NT enough Jun 2017 #16
Yep... disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #17
Have to agree DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #21
Republicans took advantage of his honesty. Obama said last month his biggest regret was Sunlei Jun 2017 #35
Those better angels were never going to show up BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #41
To us this inaction may just seem idiotic, incompetent, etc.... BruceWane Jun 2017 #20
America isn't as far from Rwanda as most people believe. The_jackalope Jun 2017 #36
Am I the only one who sees faulty logic here: Amaryllis Jun 2017 #22
"When they go low, we go high" Bayard Jun 2017 #23
Clinton would have been clobbered if Obama spoke up. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #26
Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #27
Huge mistake! lark Jun 2017 #28
they did stop the local state hacking attempts that they knew off. The 24 hour forced deportation of Sunlei Jun 2017 #32
Nope, the 21? states Russian/Republican party?were hacking were immediately informed of the attempts Sunlei Jun 2017 #30
Hmmmm. I wonder what a Puke administration would've done in the same situation. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2017 #33
banned russians? Even though Russia spawns thousands of IS fighters out of their backwoods & hacked Sunlei Jun 2017 #38
This is really water under the bridge. KPN Jun 2017 #37
I know but poor old trumpie only has his Obama dislike to play around with. Sunlei Jun 2017 #39
The unbelievable part is multiple state election officials rejected Johnson's recommendation. rogue emissary Jun 2017 #40
This is why we keep losing. LS_Editor Jun 2017 #42
Enough of the Obama bashing, please. Paladin Jun 2017 #44
It's a fair criticism DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #47
Fair or not, we need to move beyond the endless self-criticism. Paladin Jun 2017 #55
I will NEVER forgive Obama for this...always wanting to be liked adigal Jun 2017 #48
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