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In reply to the discussion: Bombshell: Koch-Funded Study Finds ‘Global Warming Is Real’ (...and the cause is human.) [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)89. Do you really think the damage at +8C would be confined to India and South China?
The big issue isn't just one of temperature, it's rainfall disruptions impacting the global food supply. The global weather disruptions we're seeing right now are happening with a +1C rise, instead of at +2 like everyone expected. A growing body of opinion (including the British Royal Society) is saying that +2 is into the "dangerous warming" territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoiding_dangerous_climate_change
Limiting the average global surface temperature increase of 2°C over the pre-industrial average has, since the 1990s, been commonly regarded as an adequate means of avoiding dangerous climate change, in science and policy making.[12][13] However, recent science has shown that the weather, environmental and social impacts of 2°C rise are much greater than the earlier science indicated, and that impacts for a 1°C rise are now expected to be as great as those previously assumed for a 2°C rise.[11]
In a July 2011 speech, climate scientist Kevin Anderson explained that for this reason, avoiding dangerous climate in the conventional sense is no longer possible, because the temperature rise is already close to 1°C, with effects formerly assumed for 2°C.[14][15] Moreover, Anderson's presentation demonstrates reasons why a temperature rise of 4°C by 2060 is a likely outcome, given the record to date of action on climate, economic realities, and short window of time remaining for limiting the average surface temperature rise to 2°C or even 3°C.[14] He also states that a 4°C rise would likely be an unstable state, leading to further increases in following decades regardless of mitigation measures that may be taken.[14]
The consequences of failing to avoid dangerous climate change have been explored in two recent scientific conferences: the 4 degrees and beyond climate change conference held Oxford university it 2009; and the Four Degrees Or More? Australia in a Hot World held at the Univ. of Melbourne in July 2011.
In a July 2011 speech, climate scientist Kevin Anderson explained that for this reason, avoiding dangerous climate in the conventional sense is no longer possible, because the temperature rise is already close to 1°C, with effects formerly assumed for 2°C.[14][15] Moreover, Anderson's presentation demonstrates reasons why a temperature rise of 4°C by 2060 is a likely outcome, given the record to date of action on climate, economic realities, and short window of time remaining for limiting the average surface temperature rise to 2°C or even 3°C.[14] He also states that a 4°C rise would likely be an unstable state, leading to further increases in following decades regardless of mitigation measures that may be taken.[14]
The consequences of failing to avoid dangerous climate change have been explored in two recent scientific conferences: the 4 degrees and beyond climate change conference held Oxford university it 2009; and the Four Degrees Or More? Australia in a Hot World held at the Univ. of Melbourne in July 2011.
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1934.toc
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1934/20.abstract
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Bombshell: Koch-Funded Study Finds ‘Global Warming Is Real’ (...and the cause is human.) [View all]
kpete
Jul 2012
OP
Yeah, no shit. He better not go on any long walks, or he might suicide himself. No small planes
Nay
Jul 2012
#55
I would wager they already knew human magnified global warming was for real but up until
Uncle Joe
Jul 2012
#58
They didn't expect this result when they commissioned the study some years ago. n/t
cheapdate
Jul 2012
#92
I remember going to the very first "Earth Day" celebration in 1970 -when we still believed change
cyberpj
Jul 2012
#82
It's not just the sea rise, it's the destruction of farmland and water supplies
NickB79
Jul 2012
#38
Do you really think the damage at +8C would be confined to India and South China?
GliderGuider
Jul 2012
#89
"We have to do everything possible to slow climate change down. It is accelerating."
CrispyQ
Jul 2012
#52
If the Kochs have half the business acumen attributed to them they will be moving into
xtraxritical
Jul 2012
#18
It's probably simpler than that: they know they will die soon, and they don't care
hatrack
Jul 2012
#37
Ick! I just dropped over to the poptech site. Denialists of the first order.
GliderGuider
Jul 2012
#80
Too often people try to pass off ideologically driven bullshit as "science". It isn't.
Warren DeMontague
Jul 2012
#77
Either Kochs figured out a way of making a shitpot of money, or we're completely fucked.
Kennah
Jul 2012
#40
Muller's break with orthodox climate science is mainly that he was disturbed by "climategate"
caraher
Jul 2012
#56