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Igel

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22. One of the big takeaways from looking at many examples of government regulation is this.
Fri Jun 23, 2017, 11:06 AM
Jun 2017

It works for air pollution, water pollution, anti-poverty, anti-discrimination programs, a fairly wide variety of activities.

By the time government steps in to save the day, the trendline for whatever it is that's so horrible has been improving for years. This only makes sense given the political process in the US. By the time there's enough popular outcry for something and public support to make it worth politicians' attention and effort people have been complaining to businesses or doing things differently on their own. If a problem's too big and means that the government made up of "we the people" has to tell a majority of "we the people" to stuff it and get in line, it's not going to happen. You can't easily reconcile the government's ordering around a majority of its citizens around outside of wartime or national emergency with the idea of a democracy. (Well, except for SCOTUS when it re-interprets a law, but I did say "democracy"--rule by SCOTUS is an oligocracy, something we love when we agree with it but hate when we're on the losing end.)

Totalitarian, non-democratic regimes have a real issue with things like rights, the environment, that sort of thing that progressives generally claim exclusive dibs on, and it doesn't matter if those regimes are left or right of center.

In a few cases, improvement speeds up under government supervision. In more cases, improvement continues at the same pace for quite a while. You look at the historical trend and the only thing that lets you know a federal law was passed is an arrow or comment nothing that some law took affect. It arguably makes a real difference when the incidence of the bad behavior gets sufficiently low: government can drive the disapproved of behavior or situation to a much lower level than mere public pressure, but seldom manages to completely dispose of it (because to drive a behavior to zero requires a really extreme level of totalitarianism, a level many strong advocates of the law seem to approve of when it affects not-themselves).

Take something like public education. By the time elementary school was required at the state level, most people were already finishing elementary school. By the time middle/junior-high was required, most people were finishing it. Half of the population got their high school degree for the first time just before the US joined WWII and didn't achieve that awesome 50% number until a couple of years after the war. And high-school became required (until you were 16, still the law in some states) years after that number was reached, pretty much always in states that had already long passed the 50% mark. In a few the state legislatures decided they needed to play catch-up.

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Weird how the Republicans care only about the birds killed by wind-turbines. DetlefK Jun 2017 #1
I was just thinking that as well n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2017 #4
Well, pollution isn't real Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #5
Bird kills are a problem, BUT MBS Jun 2017 #9
Nonsense. Don't drink the koolaide. truthisfreedom Jun 2017 #25
agree about domestic cats. MBS Jun 2017 #27
From the Washington Post Article teach1st Jun 2017 #19
Funny - image of a bird (canary) in a mine sprung to mind packman Jun 2017 #21
Look it up too,more birds killed by guy wires on antenna's Bengus81 Jun 2017 #24
coal is dying regardless of what anybody says.... burfman Jun 2017 #2
One of the big takeaways from looking at many examples of government regulation is this. Igel Jun 2017 #22
Watching Morning Joe Esse Quam Videri Jun 2017 #3
Most of the jobs are build-out. Igel Jun 2017 #26
There's a factory in Newton where blades for wind turbines are made. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #6
Acciona (Spanish manufacturer) has a huge plant in West Branch, IA, as well. bullwinkle428 Jun 2017 #16
And I believe Siemens has one just outside of Fort Madison rurallib Jun 2017 #18
If wind and solar could be made as dangerous to workers as coal... gordianot Jun 2017 #7
"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" dalton99a Jun 2017 #8
Stupid is everywhere. pangaia Jun 2017 #10
and Virginia has Chipper Chat Jun 2017 #11
Stupid is everywhere...ain't it. pangaia Jun 2017 #12
She's in the next state to the south, North Carolina. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #14
I just wanted to see if everyone was awake. Chipper Chat Jun 2017 #15
And very stupid...must mean most her constituants are like her. Pauldg47 Jun 2017 #20
That post was a direct quote of what Trump said when he lost the Iowa primary. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #23
Easy to find the NIMBYs Mopar151 Jun 2017 #34
Rosenberg called the president inaccurate and misinformed. BINGO riversedge Jun 2017 #13
Awww little donnie cares about the cute little birdies Canoe52 Jun 2017 #17
God forbid green energy is becoming incorporated into conventional energy DK504 Jun 2017 #28
That's Great! blue-wave Jun 2017 #29
hey, douche boy, did you know that the KY coal museum is now solar-powered? niyad Jun 2017 #30
I don't want to just hope the wind blows to light up your homes and your factories. SharonClark Jun 2017 #31
He's a con man Martin Eden Jun 2017 #32
It's a "pitch" Mopar151 Jun 2017 #35
"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" -Donald Trump Bradical79 Jun 2017 #33
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